47s big draw, standard?

KowCiller · #1 04-18-2005, 03:52 PM

Villain is a 34/6 LAG who tries to be tricky. I don't see him as particularly good.

Standard Operating procedure with 100xbb stacks?

Edit: FWIW I meant to push the flop but the slider got stuck.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($48)
CO ($59.65)
Button ($59.03)
SB ($32.1)
Hero ($53.5)
UTG ($47.7)
UTG+1 ($51.4)
Villain ($96.09)
MP2 ($48.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Villain calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, Villain raises to $4, MP3 folds, Button calls $3, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($13.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $12.6, Button folds, Hero raises to $40, Villain raises to $67.41, Hero calls $9.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($130.16) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($130.16) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $130.16

All comments appreciated.

KoW

PoBoy321 · #2 04-18-2005, 03:58 PM

I would prefer leading here. Get some dead money in the pot, then if he raises, you can come over the top.

BobboFitos · #3 04-18-2005, 04:23 PM

you need to learn how to hit your draws

KowCiller · #4 04-18-2005, 04:40 PM

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Ya I think that's the biggest leak in my game [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

The thought behind check/raising was I could get a followup bet from PFR and perhaps a call from the button before I push...whereas if I lead for a re-raise, button would almost certainly fold when PFR raises my lead.

Any flaws in my thinking?

KoW

swolfe · #5 04-18-2005, 04:46 PM

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The thought behind check/raising was I could get a followup bet from PFR and perhaps a call from the button before I push...whereas if I lead for a re-raise, button would almost certainly fold when PFR raises my lead

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no, that's perfect. plus, there's some non-zero fold equity that helps push it even more to the +EV end.

joewatch · #6 04-18-2005, 04:25 PM

Looks OK to me, except you should have just pushed all-in with the check-raise. Other option is to lead/reraise as someone else said.

Delphin · #7 04-18-2005, 05:03 PM

I have a lot to learn about NL ring play. Is this play really standard?

I can see calling the minraise in the BB I guess, but I'm definitely folding to the $3 reraise with a $10 pot. Is that a mistake?

Obviously this is a very strong draw, but I'd still be very uncomfortable going to the felt with 7 high on this flop.

Hero is a 35/65 underdog against a bigger flush draw, a 40/60 underdog against a set, 50/50 against a two pair, a 56/44 favorite over a pair, and 65/35 or 70/30 against overcards depending on whether one is a diamond.

On average this hand will likely be a coinflip if you get called. I guess your fold equity plus the fact that there is already money in the pot gives you +EV here, but I think I would be sorely tempted to wait for a better spot. I admit I play more NL tournaments than cash games, so maybe this is a big lesson I need to learn.

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KowCiller · #8 04-18-2005, 05:23 PM

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Obviously this is a very strong draw, but I'd still be very uncomfortable going to the felt with 7 high on this flop.

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but I think I would be sorely tempted to wait for a better spot

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Do you have a different line to propose? check-call, check-fold?

What is your default play in this spot against a LAG?

KoW

orange · #9 04-18-2005, 05:41 PM

Is pre-flop calling ok here? I personally wouldn't call the 3 dollar raise without more players in the pot. Is 74s a good enough hand to play in this hand?

Delphin · #10 04-18-2005, 06:32 PM

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Do you have a different line to propose? check-call, check-fold?

What is your default play in this spot against a LAG?

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I'm still learning. I would have folded preflop for $3. I don't have enough experience to know that I can play well enough after the flop to make this call +EV. If I did get this flop with this hand, I don't have a default play, which is why I'm curious if this is really standard.

I don't feel comfortable with any of the possible lines, which is why I'd have folded preflop.

I guess betting the pot and reraising all in or checking and reraising all in might be best, but I'd have a hard time doing it. The pot isn't very big, but I guess that is limit thinking. In NL I want to take my opponents stack, and the pot size isn't as relevant. With this hand I see a virtual coinflip and I'd rather get all in with my LAG opponent later when I have more of an advantage.

If I check/call, I think I'm a genius when I hit my hand on the turn and I check raise all in. When I miss and he bets the pot again on the turn I think I'm an idiot and wish I had pushed the flop so I could see both cards.

I'm not saying the OP's line was wrong, I'm saying I am inexperienced and I need to be shown the light. Anyone care to help me out here?