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Schneids touched upon this point a little bit in one of the bicyclekick threads, and it's something that I've been thinking about for awhile, so I thought I'd give it its own vehicle.
One thing I've noticed when I break out of the nice, relaxing 15/30 cycle and play at 30/60 or higher is a pretty sharp increase in the number of *good* or even very good players who will cold call first in before the flop. The prototypical situation would be you raising in early position, everyone folding, and the villian flat calling from say the cutoff. Is there any particular rhyme or reason to this strategy, as opposed to the standard alternative of 3-betting? Or are these dudes just good enough postflop players that they can get away with doing something suboptimal preflop? I'll confess that I can feel a little bit befuddled in the postflop scenarios that ensue. |
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I'm very curious about this too.
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I think its good against a loose raiser when you have a good nonshowdownable hand that needs improvement. Hands like KQo KQs QJs.
You put the opponent on a large range of raising hands but HU against a pair or an Ace you are a dog. If you throw in the blinds as well then your KQs looks pretty good against ATo especially with position. |
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when i experiement with floating there are certain upsides to just coldcalling rather than 3-betting.
it will set up a variety of ways to protect your hand by being able to raise the pfr's auto flop bet and knock out the blinds (whether or not they'd be there if you just 3-bet preflop is a different matter), or perhaps wait till the turn. also it disguises the strength of your hand. for example, there are numerous times where i've just coldcalled AA or KK in the situation you described. when big hands get thrown in the mix it'll increase the floater's bluffing frequency and also allow for free cards if he desired it with other type hands. the floater will have a good idea on the range of hands the pfr will have, while his hand will remain concealed and he has position. i wouldn't really know one way or the other the best technique for floating (though I'd suspect 3-betting any holding would be better), but these are some of the thigns i could come up with. |
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(though I'd suspect 3-betting any holding would be better) [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, Chris, good stuff. Just to frame the question a little bit better, this is pretty much what I'm asking: are there scenarios in which it is preferable to cold call here rather than reraise? |
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Just to frame the question a little bit better, this is pretty much what I'm asking: are there scenarios in which it is preferable to cold call here rather than reraise? [/ QUOTE ] 40-80 Game Solid Tricky Good player raises in EP with something, I have ATo-AQo in the CO or Button. This is where I float. I have KK - AA in the Co or Button. This is where I float provided the SB and BB are tight and predictable post flop players. I wouldn't float against poor unthinking opponents who solely play their own hand and could less what I hold. But against a good solid opponent, floating is very important to throw them off. I also would not float against a weak tight player. Lawrence |
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"I also would not float against a weak tight player."
Wouldn't this be an ideal type to float against? When you cold-call pre-flop and then, say, call on the flop, don't they tend to freeze up on the turn? I've thrown some floating into my previously just pump-or-dump game and I have greater success against weak-tight players than against trickier types. |
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I also would not float against a weak tight player. [/ QUOTE ] I would think the absolute opposite is true and they're the prime targets i look for. |
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How about floating weaker hands vs. a weak tight player? Like, floating suited connectors or suited one gappers or baby pairs? Lets say for the sake of argument you know both blinds are going to fold. Or weaker hands vs. a good player? If you are trying to get away with floating hands like AJ, why not hands like 98s or 55?
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40-80 Game Solid Tricky Good player raises in EP with something, I have ATo-AQo in the CO or Button. This is where I float. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="red"> Did you mean: </font> <font color="blue"> fold </font> |
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