100 party NL

kain2 · #1 04-13-2005, 04:26 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($52.15)
UTG ($227.25)
MP ($112.05)
Hero ($216.6)
Button ($96.85)
SB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, UTG calls $6, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($31.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $25, MP calls $25,

whats a good line? UTG is a loose passive calling station that has been hiting and MP is a new player just sat down no reads on him not sure what to do im kinda new to NL

IRV · #2 04-13-2005, 04:50 PM

I'll probably get flamed by saying this but I don't like the reraise with AK preflop. I would have called preflop, then re-raised the flop to define my hand, If user doesn't slow down on the turn I'd probably have to lay this hand down, but i suspect he'll check the turn so will mp ... thus maintaining some pot control. Then I'll call a reasonable sized rvr bet.

steaknshake925 · #3 04-13-2005, 05:03 PM

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If user doesn't slow down on the turn I'd probably have to lay this hand down, but i suspect he'll check the turn so will mp ... thus maintaining some pot control.

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the problem with checking the turn is you give MP who may be on a flush draw a free card. if a non-club card falls on the turn and both villains check, i bet 1/2 pot. this is after calling on the flop.

and yes, preflop i like cold-calling better.

AEKDBet · #4 04-13-2005, 08:52 PM

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I'll probably get flamed by saying this but I don't like the reraise with AK preflop.

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You idiot.

jk. This works very well to disguise your hand against AQ, AJ, or a board of TQJ. I like it - too many times I have gotten away from AQ prelop or after the flop after a tightie has reraised or bet an ace flop hard.

IRV · #5 04-14-2005, 02:38 PM

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I'll probably get flamed by saying this but I don't like the reraise with AK preflop.

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You idiot.

jk. This works very well to disguise your hand against AQ, AJ, or a board of TQJ. I like it - too many times I have gotten away from AQ prelop or after the flop after a tightie has reraised or bet an ace flop hard.

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The problem I have with the reraise pre flop is that you are increasing the size of the pot thus making it a harder (IMO) decision for you on later streets. But if you have to reraise, then reraise to a higher amount.

kain2 · #6 04-13-2005, 05:47 PM

I guess im really weak tight, when the utg bet the pot and the other guy called it i thought my hand was no good with probably little chance of improving and folded. I guess this is a really weak line? i reraised preflop cause i knew he would call with a weaker ace, but i just couldn't think i was ahead of both of them, i guess folding this flop is to weak and i need to work on my game.

TrailofTears · #7 04-13-2005, 06:15 PM

I don't think it's all that weak.

twankerr · #8 04-13-2005, 06:18 PM

Its not THAT weak. TPTK is not a hand to get into it with. I kind of figure you are against a better hand at this point because of the caller. I put one of them on QQ or AQ (small possibility that someone has A2 or 22).

I might call because I have position and see how the turn develops.

jonnyUCB · #9 04-13-2005, 09:23 PM

What important in NL is not so much what you have as what your opponent has. Your reraise disguised your hand pre-flop in that most players wont make this raise with AK. The information lacking in this situation is what you think your opponents have. I like knowing how they bet hands before i try generating such a large pot as you have with your reraise before the flop. Would utg bet with AJ here? would MP chase a flush draw (is he likely to call a Preflop raise with suited connectors, or is he a solid player playing any PP to a raise) by flatcalling?

It's hard to say whether either has you beat but i think you made the safe and probably correct laydown given your information. If I were utg with AJ i would probably lead but a lot of players would let the PFR do the betting for them so we need some of this information before coming over the top. I hoenstly believe you have utg beat but MP is another question altogether. Note what type of hands he'll call preflop raises with and your game will improve dramatically, espeically in six max games where you'll be butting heads with everyone on the table quite often.

imported_stealthcow · #10 04-13-2005, 06:28 PM

i call.

you've got the Ac, and i think a low club will get checked around. the hand i'm most worried about right now is AQ. has the loose passive utg been betting his hands that he's been hitting hard? if so, then a fold isn't bad. if not, then i call, because i'm curious and my hand isn't bad.

but curiosity did kill the cat.

stealthcow-