2/4 JJ

mythrilfox · #1 04-09-2005, 09:32 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($375)
UTG ($1247.55)
MP ($444.5)
CO ($734.5)
Hero ($414.5)
SB ($478)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, UTG calls $16.

Flop: ($54) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $75, Hero calls $75.

Turn: ($204) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $150, UTG calls $150.

River: ($504) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $504

UTG is fairly solid though not overly so. He took a LONG time on the turn call. Nearly his entire bank.

BobboFitos · #2 04-09-2005, 09:33 PM

hey, what did you put him on the flop? after minraising UTG and calling reraise OOP, then overbet the flop, interested in possible hand ranges.

mythrilfox · #3 04-09-2005, 09:35 PM

Pocket pair was most likely. I'd only been at the table 3 orbits so I hadn't yet seen him overbet out like this. Not sure if he's tricky enough to do that with a queen, but I didn't see much value in raising the flop.

edit: or a draw is possible, since newbs like to min-raise with drawing type hands. Who knows.

Ghazban · #4 04-09-2005, 09:37 PM

I play it about the same but I'd consider raising the flop if villain will lay down AA/KK. I don't usually reraise JJ preflop, but it kind of depends on the table.

mythrilfox · #5 04-09-2005, 10:20 PM

That was sorta my question. He took so long on the turn call that I knew he had to have a pocket pair. So I wasn't sure if there was some merit to betting the river again, and getting hands that beat me to fold (AA/KK).

I had been playing pretty tight til this point too, I thought Villain respected my play and might fold AA/KK to a river bet.

Does he really check/call turn with diamonds? Doubtful, when he might very possibly be drawing to just a flush.

edge · #6 04-09-2005, 09:37 PM

A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? TT? KK?

I like your line. After he checks the turn, it looks like overcards, but overcards don't call a bet there. I'm definitely checking the river through, since there's obviously no way overcards call anymore, and the flush just hit.

TheWorstPlayer · #7 04-09-2005, 10:00 PM

I think most likely hands are Ax[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AA/KK in that order. On the flop he tried to bully a preflop re-raiser with a scary flop. On the turn, he picked up a flush draw, on the river he wanted to check/raise. That's the thinking behind the Ax[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. The AA/KK are obvious considerations. And all of those hands are min-raised preflop at times.

edge · #8 04-09-2005, 10:16 PM

Whoops, didn't notice that the first raise was a minraise. That makes diamonds a lot more possible: AJ, AT, KJ?

BobboFitos · #9 04-10-2005, 02:51 AM

Are you guys really putting villain on backdoor flush? if so, i either completely misread several posts or you are reaching bigtime. bigtime.

edge · #10 04-10-2005, 03:02 AM

Villian's hand either beats Hero (diamonds, KK) or loses (TT). You have $175 left. You're not pushing off KK or AA here. Once he called the turn, he was committing himself to his pair, assuming he has one and not diamonds.

Actually, I didn't look at the stack sizes. Maybe it's less possible that he has diamonds, considering the size of Hero's stack on the turn after the bet. Looks a lot like TT now that I reconsider. Since you only have $175 left, might as well throw it in, but don't expect him to fold anythig here. This is a pure value bet.