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Old 03-28-2005, 12:15 PM
TomBrooks TomBrooks is offline
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Default Button Doing Worse than Earlier Positions. Why? (Stats Incld.)

I am doing considerably worse from the button than I am from some earlier positions and I don't know why. Can anyone glean anything from my position stats? Does anyone else have this problem?

I included two sets of stats, because my VPIP has been steadily dropping since I started in November and my postflop play has been changing gradually, and hopefully for the better. The button problem shows up over the whole time but continues in my recent play also.



Three Month Position Stats: Dec 26, 2004 to Present


One Month Position Stats: Feb 26, 2005 to Present
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: Doing Worse From Button Than From Earlier Positions: Why?

sample size. you don't seem to change your PF standards much tho. you seem too loose UTG and not aggressive enough PF in LP.
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Doing Worse From Button Than From Earlier Positions: Why?

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sample size.

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Hi Spider, I think the one month sample size (was 9.5k hands) is showing some short term varience, so maybe it's better to mainly look at the 3 month sample (33k hands) - the trend looks similar to me in both, however. And I changed the one month picture to include a few more days to get it over 10k number of hands people like to see.
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: Doing Worse From Button Than From Earlier Positions: Why?

It also looks like you cold-call a bunch.
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:38 PM
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sample size. you don't seem to change your PF standards much tho. you seem too loose UTG and not aggressive enough PF in LP.

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yeah you raise more often UTG than on the button .. thats not a good sign

coldcalling 1% is def too much
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:43 PM
KaiShin KaiShin is offline
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Default Re: Button Doing Worse than Earlier Positions. Why? (Stats Incld.)

Wow, 3.39% CC from the Button? That's huge.

Your raising standards are almost identical at UTG and Button. Your PFr only drops in late-middle to late position, which is knid of the reverse that it should be. You need to raise more unraised pots when you have position.
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Button Doing Worse than Earlier Positions. Why? (Stats Incld.)

It looks like you're a bit too loose and you're not raising enough. You also like to coldcall too often. I suspect you've got a slow steady leak in that department and should examine it more closely. Are you limping in with speculative hands without enough players involved in the pot? Are you open-limping with hands that you want to play because you're afraid to raise T9s and A7s from that spot?
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:52 PM
No_Stake No_Stake is offline
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Default Re: Button Doing Worse than Earlier Positions. Why? (Stats Incld.)

i have similair leak i was raising more from UTG than in LP
got over it by deciding to NOT cold call in late position i reraise or ditch plain and simple and so far over the last 5k hands im seing a vast improvent in my preflop aggression numners.
To many times i was content to cold call the maniac and try and hit a flop now i just pound right back
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Old 03-28-2005, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: Button Doing Worse than Earlier Positions. Why? (Stats Incld.)

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Are you limping in with speculative hands without enough players involved in the pot?

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Hi Aaron,
I think so. Thats something I just became aware of a couple of weeks ago. I was using the SSH Loose Game starting chart even when there were only 1-3 limpers ahead of me. From late position without at least 4 limpers in front of me, I think I may still be limping with K7s-K4s, some middle suited one-gappers and J9s-J8s. I'll cut that out. That will probably take another point off my VPIP also, which seems pretty high.

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Are you open-limping with hands that you want to play because you're afraid to raise T9s and A7s from that spot?

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I have usually been limping with ATs and never raising A9s-A8s at all. OK, I see that error and will raise them always now from late position. A7s and T9s though? I would not have thought those were good to raise.
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Old 03-28-2005, 03:18 PM
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Are you open-limping with hands that you want to play because you're afraid to raise T9s and A7s from that spot?

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I have usually been limping with ATs and never raising A9s-A8s at all. OK, I see that error and will raise them always now from late position. A7s and T9s though? I would not have thought those were good to raise.

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If you're consistently opportunities to open-limp those hands in position then you're probably in a weak-tight game, and you can make $$ by picking up pots betting on the flop. Raising in position is far better than limping in those games. Just don't go overboard with it. Raise only hands you want to play, and not junk that you normally muck.
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