$30+3 - Very difficult bubble hand

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

BB (t440)
UTG (t2425)
Hero (t1595)
SB (t3540)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t500</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ....... </font>,

The poll we've all been waiting for:

[curtains]

I definitely move allin. You have a powerhouse, and reasonable folding equity. I know it's painful when you bust here, as you will some of the time, but way too often you are going to be a 70%+ favorite against your opponent's hand.

[OPJayhawk]

I think the right play here goes against one of the "Rules of thumb" that you see here alot.

If you push all in the BB is going to release his hand most of the time. UTG now has odds to call to you and will do so most of the time especially with the BB with only 200 chips left. Even if you beat him he is still likely to take third.

The play here I think is too flat call the $500 and see if you hit the flop. When you flat call - now the BB has a tougher choice - he can call all of his chips too and face a possible 3 way check down or he can release and hope UTG busts you.

If the BB folds and you miss the flop and UTG leads into you you will prolly have to release your hand.

I know putting in 1/3 of your stack and then releasing it goes agasint what you usually read here, but I think in this case it is the right play.

PacmanFL

[curtains]

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I think the right play here goes against one of the "Rules of thumb" that you see here alot.

If you push all in the BB is going to release his hand most of the time. UTG now has odds to call to you and will do so most of the time especially with the BB with only 200 chips left. Even if you beat him he is still likely to take third.

The play here I think is too flat call the $500 and see if you hit the flop. When you flat call - now the BB has a tougher choice - he can call all of his chips too and face a possible 3 way check down or he can release and hope UTG busts you.

If the BB folds and you miss the flop and UTG leads into you you will prolly have to release your hand.

I know putting in 1/3 of your stack and then releasing it goes agasint what you usually read here, but I think in this case it is the right play.

PacmanFL

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This might be a possible line.

[valenzuela]

What happens if SB decides to rock n roll( in other words push)

[J-Lo]

I thinkk thats why this is a clear push. If i was UTG, i would be raising w/ many hands, any A, and K, 2 cards bigger than T, any pocket pair, etc... so there are many more hands u dominate than dominate you. I think he's putting too much of his stack on the line to call here w/o a premium hand-- the only reason i feel this is a push rather than call--&gt; checkdown, is because SB should push many hands here if he feels there is much FE.

[Degen]

i played with you the other day Scuba...i'd said hi in the chat box...we were four handed, and i wanted to comment here, and this seems the perfect opportunity...YOU PLAY WAY TOO TIGHT ON THE BUBBLE!!!

In our tourney you blinded down from a solid stack to about 1200 and then busted 4th when you finally made a stand to somebody else's move.

Meanwhile i gobbled up all the blinds and built a monster chiplead and took down the tourney. Going into 4 handed play we were about even.


You should not be playing to get 3rd...you should be playing to win. If the money means that much to you then drop down to the $22's or $11's until you build a suitable bankroll.


So what if you lose 4th making a move. Big deal. Thats poker. You'll win a hell of a lot more and best of all, when you do get a monster, you can min-raise it and have somebody fully tilted and push you in with your AA.


Degen

P.S. This is the easiest push in the history of SNG's.

[Jman28]

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P.S. This is the easiest push in the history of SNG's.

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That's not true at all.

I think I'd push. However, this is one play that is EXTREMELY read dependent. At least to me.

If this guy raises often, and would fold many hands to a push, than it's an easy push.

If he only makes this raise with 99+, AQ+, and will call the push, then pushing is silly. I'd call here.

There are tons of scenarios which impact this decision. But I usually push.

-Jman28

[Degen]

Late tourney, blinds are huge. Push everything.

Degen

[Jman28]

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Late tourney, blinds are huge. Push everything.

Degen

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Reread my above post. Do you disagree that there are players you shouldn't push against?

-Jman28