Fold to this C/R??

Alexthegreat · #1 03-24-2005, 02:42 AM

I have played just one orbit, villian has been tight over the last 8 hands....

I don't think he is on a draw here, and I couldn't think of anything that I beat that he would checkraise, but I'm just wondering if I should just call down the first time an unkown does this...?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Nick C · #2 03-24-2005, 03:05 AM

I usually call these down, expecting to lose.

My play with overpairs could use improvement, though, I think.

All the same, sometimes you will be shown 88 and 99 and A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and so forth. Plus, you do have a decent amount out outs against, say, 76s.

Edit: Hmm. I will admit, that in this particular case, you have to consider that your flop 3-bet did show a lot of strength. Given that, folding may be prudent, although I'd probably at least see the river, since your opponent could just have two pair.

Alexthegreat · #3 03-24-2005, 03:15 AM

My thoughts were that he would just lead the turn with 88 and 99....He seemed like a tight player so far, but that was only a handful of deals, so maybe I should have called down....

There is no way I'm checking behind on the turn right??

Nick C · #4 03-24-2005, 03:24 AM

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I don't like this idea much. When you're ahead, your opponent will, on average, have far more outs than you have when you're behind. I think you really need to know your opponent will frequently bluff a missed draw on the river to make checking behind on the turn a good choice.

All the same, that plan might be better than betting, calling a checkraise, and then paying off on the river, like I probably would.

gaming_mouse · #5 03-24-2005, 03:29 AM

Nice laydown.

Alexthegreat · #6 03-24-2005, 03:37 AM

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Nice laydown.

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Thanks...you play it the same I assume??

gaming_mouse · #7 03-24-2005, 04:04 AM

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Thanks...you play it the same I assume??

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yep.

jb9 · #8 03-24-2005, 10:57 AM

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but I'm just wondering if I should just call down the first time an unknown does this...?

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I call this down knowing I might be behind partly because I have no read and partly because I haven't been at the table long (I don't like giving the early impression that I'll give up a hand I liked enough to 3 bet on the flop to a turn check raise).

If he has a set or straight, so be it, but without a read, I'm not folding an overpair here. (And if he has 2 pair, I have outs.)

Perhaps that's a mistake, but if you think it is, would you fold AA or KK here?

Jeffage · #9 03-24-2005, 12:36 PM

You're likely beaten, but perhaps not. I wouldn't fold this headsup with no read (particularly ONLINE where people are apt to make wild plays). He limped after one limper...how tight is he...would he muck 55, 66, 77 in this spot b/c not enough people limped yet? If he's tight, 89 is less of a possibility (maybe he'd play it suited). I would call him bc he could have a big draw/pair hand (9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). H could have say 99 or just a flush draw. You're likely against a set, but there is enough chance you're not that I'd look him up.

Jeff

billyjex · #10 03-24-2005, 01:16 PM

I don't think I fold this either, but I have trouble letting go of these hands. But with no read, I can't.

Hero is getting better than 6 to 1 to call down. If he's behind two pair, he has counterfeit outs. If he's behind a set, he has 2 outs. He also could be ahead to a strong draw or just a tricky play from someone putting him on AK.

I wish I was more mathematically inclined to make an assessment of the situation but my gut tells me to call down.