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betting out with UI overs on the flop
How often do you guys find yourselves betting a flop that you raised preflop when it is checked to you? I find myself doing it nearly 100% of the time, and I'm not sure if this is correct. It's of course ok to bet when you hit, but when you have unimproved big cards(i.e. AK, AQ even KQ) how often should I really be betting?
Here is my thinking: If the board is a 3 flush that I don't have a piece of it my bet is going to fold any people who didn't get a piece of the flop and I know I won't be able to take heat from raises, so if I get raised I can get out now, before I spend too much. If the board is a 3 flush that I do have a part of, I have a draw to a flush that is almost a definite winner, so I'll still bet, and figure out by my opponents actions if he has the flush already or hit something else. If the board is three high cards that are straigtening, I'll probably have overs with an inside striaght draw. Giving me six outs for top pair plus the extra 4 for my nut straight, so I'll go ahead and fire at this one too. If the board is paired, most likely no one else will have a piece of the flop, and my overs are probably still good. So I'll take a stab at this one too, unless the pair is something like jacks or queens, in which case someone could have a piece. If the board looks tame and it is checked to me, I think that it will fold to my bet enough times that a bet is in order. If I do happen to get any callers, I still have six outs to catch anyone who actually hit a hand and is not drawing. Also, when does it come time to stop betting? If I bet out on the flop and get a couple of callers, so long as those players aren't particularly tight, i'll bet again. I think too many players call on party 2/4 without having any hand on the flop. I think I may be overaggressive with unimproved big cards, and its a hole that any knowledgable player can exploit. I know a lot of people are probably going to say "post hands" and I will, but I was wondering if there were any general guidelines anyone follows. |
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Re: betting out with UI overs on the flop
First of all I usually only bet UI overs with a smaller field since you're not going to win the pot often enough UI with a larger field (5+).
[ QUOTE ] If the board is a 3 flush that I don't have a piece of it my bet is going to fold any people who didn't get a piece of the flop and I know I won't be able to take heat from raises, so if I get raised I can get out now, before I spend too much. [/ QUOTE ] If you bet the flop here anybody with a decent pair or flush card will call your flop bet here, and anybody that totally whiffed will certainly check/fold. It would take a great read to find out who's calling you down with TP or with a lone flush card, and for you to take it down it usually takes 2-3 barrels against a chaser without free cards, or a total overaggro sucker play against a made hand. I usually just check it down UI in this situation. [ QUOTE ] If the board is a 3 flush that I do have a part of, I have a draw to a flush that is almost a definite winner, so I'll still bet, and figure out by my opponents actions if he has the flush already or hit something else. [/ QUOTE ] Betting your draws with huge equity (overs + flush draw + folding) seems like a winning play to me. If I isolate it to a HU and sense weakness I'll follow up on the turn here but otherwise I just check the turn if too many callers and/or OOP. [ QUOTE ] If the board is three high cards that are straigtening, I'll probably have overs with an inside striaght draw. Giving me six outs for top pair plus the extra 4 for my nut straight, so I'll go ahead and fire at this one too. [/ QUOTE ] Overs + gshot gives you usually about 7 outs or so. I take the same route as the flush + overs. [ QUOTE ] If the board is paired, most likely no one else will have a piece of the flop, and my overs are probably still good. So I'll take a stab at this one too, unless the pair is something like jacks or queens, in which case someone could have a piece. [/ QUOTE ] I'd be alot more likely to bet with J's on the board. If I get smooth called here I fully expect a turn or river slowplay from most fish, so I'm likely to bet the flop and maybe the turn unless I was very likely to get raised, CR'ed which your turn AF might help with. [ QUOTE ] If the board looks tame and it is checked to me, I think that it will fold to my bet enough times that a bet is in order. If I do happen to get any callers, I still have six outs to catch anyone who actually hit a hand and is not drawing. [/ QUOTE ] This is again player dependent (can they fold or are they a CS) and board dependent (2-tone?, connected?) and # of players in which gives a greater likelyhood of already being behind or collectively tons of outs against you. |
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