JTo Big Loser SH?

Poker Cat · #1 03-22-2005, 03:01 PM

I'm a consistent winner at the 5-10 6-max.
After 40,000 hands, my win rate averages 2.5 BB/100.

Clearly my game still needs improvement, as there are some (non-blind) starting hands in the red in PT.

The biggest loser? Amazingly, it's JTo. By far.
In 385 plays, it's cost me $1430.50, or .37 BB. I've lost in every position, even the blinds. In smaller samples, it's definitely possible to get some strange results, but with this much info something is clearly wrong. But what?

I've reviewed several games in various situations, and can't find anything amiss. I'm not, for instance, consistently losing to pairs of jacks or tens with better kickers. JTo is not a premium hand, but as a group 5 start it's playable in most positions even in a ring game. How can it be such a loser here?

My only thought so far is that it doesn't do well in heads up matches where bluffing is common, because I can't defend (call) with a jack high.

Any thoughts?

Rubeskies · #2 03-22-2005, 03:06 PM

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it's playable in most positions even in a ring game.

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No

djoyce003 · #3 03-22-2005, 03:07 PM

Yeah i noticed it was one of mine as well, I quit playing it unless in the blinds. And no, it is not playable at all in a ring game unless its folded to you on the button and you are stealing, and then it's probaby marginal unless the blinds are tight.

PassiveCaller · #4 03-22-2005, 03:08 PM

You're going to have be way more specific in how you are playing this hand to get any useful information. Chances are you're playing JTo way too much still. It's not all that great of a hand in most positions and it's pretty awful in a ring game in most spots.

Grisgra · #5 03-22-2005, 03:29 PM

I know I was surprised when I figured it out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. At this point I might limp with it on the button after two or three passive and predictable limpers, or open-raise/steal with it from the button/CO, but that's about it. And I'm uncomfortable with the whole button-limping thing, too . . . I should probably raise with it, but it's such a lousy hand I'm really not thrilled about that, either.

Paluka · #6 03-22-2005, 03:43 PM

Anyone who is surprised that JTo is doing badly shorthanded has a lot more to worry about at poker than the fact that they are losing with JTo.

PassiveCaller · #7 03-22-2005, 04:21 PM

yes I'd say that's a big leak in logic...

Poker Cat · #8 03-22-2005, 04:22 PM

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Anyone who is surprised that JTo is doing badly shorthanded has a lot more to worry about at poker than the fact that they are losing with JTo.

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Your comment was not helpful in any way.

PassiveCaller · #9 03-22-2005, 04:28 PM

If you want to last around here you're going to have to not take comments like that so seriously. You could bark back like you did or try to think about why he said it and try to get more help. Otherwise you'll allienate some good posters and the useful assistance will quickly drop away.

Grisgra · #10 03-22-2005, 05:43 PM

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Otherwise you'll allienate some good posters and the useful assistance will quickly drop away.

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Eh. Certainly, there are some good posters that are also smartasses. But there are just as many smartass good players that are perceived as good posters, but because their posts are generally nothing but short & sarcastic, said posts would hardly be missed.