A 15 minute penalty? HELL NO.

augie00 · #1 03-18-2005, 04:06 PM

I'm on spring break, and on St. Patty's day all of my friends decided to get wasted and pass out by 9:00 PM. I'm the only one awake, so I decide to roll down to the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida.

Florida has a silly law that says each betting round is a maximum of $2, so I decide to play some sit n goes. I have some mild success, and this hand comes up in a $135 sng, 10 handed.

Folded to the CO, blinds 50/100, he raises to 600 with T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB calls, and two see the flop of 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB checks, CO moves all in for about 800, and BB calls with 66. CO flips over his hand and says "I need a heart."

The turn is a 9, and the river is a four. The CO has made a straight and does not know it. He mucks his hand in disgust, and as he is in the motion of mucking his hand, I say "You know you have a straight, right?"

The floor is called, and the first thing that this A-hole comes up with is I get a 15 minute penalty for disrupting the game. I will not stand for this, as we start with 15x the BB and there are only 15 minute rounds.

Eventually the supervisor makes it over, declares the CO's hand as good, and says I do not have to serve my penalty.

Was the original floorperson justified in giving me a 15 minute penalty for telling the CO he's made a straight? The cards were flipped over, and both players were all in.

Brainwalter · #2 03-18-2005, 04:11 PM

of course the OF was wrong. The cards were turned up, and it's the dealer's and players' responsibility to make sure the pot is awarded to the best hand.

Pocket Trips · #3 03-18-2005, 05:12 PM

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He mucks his hand in disgust, and as he is in the motion of mucking his hand, I say "You know you have a straight, right?"

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if he was about to muck his hand as in throwiing his cards away facw down thinking he lost and you saw his cards b4 he tossed them and said "oh hey you have a str8" isn't that a violation of the 1 player to a hand rule? If so, you would be lucky just to get a 15 minute penalty

augie00 · #4 03-18-2005, 05:13 PM

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He mucks his hand in disgust, and as he is in the motion of mucking his hand, I say "You know you have a straight, right?"

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if he was about to muck his hand as in throwiing his cards away facw down thinking he lost and you saw his cards b4 he tossed them and said "oh hey you have a str8" isn't that a violation of the 1 player to a hand rule? If so, you would be lucky just to get a 15 minute penalty

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You did not read my original post very carefully. Both players were all in, and the cards were turned face up.

AviD · #5 03-18-2005, 05:16 PM

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and as he is in the motion of mucking his hand, I say "You know you have a straight, right?"

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Great way to get in trouble (outside of the casino)...involving yourself in a hand you are not involved in. Not your responsibility, and if it were a big money tournament...I certainly would not be happy with you if the other guy was mucking his winning hand and I was going to get that pot.

When I first started playing, I got chastized for doing the same thing in a 2/4 game, the guy acted like we were playing 200/400 and even remarked about how "grave" my comment could become in higher limit games. I was in a word, shocked, and have never said a word since in any such hand...and I've witnessed quite a few folded winners since then.

Learn your lesson and stay out of the way when you aren't involved in the hand. Let the dealer and floor do their job.

That's my take at least, based on the lesson I learned some time ago.

stabn · #6 03-18-2005, 05:22 PM

Cards speak. If the hand was tabled you should point out mistakes like this. If he flashed the cards to the OP and then mucked that's a different story, and falls under the one play to a hand rule. But once a hand is tabled i will do everything possible to make sure the actual best hand wins the pot.

radek2166 · #7 03-18-2005, 05:32 PM

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Cards speak. If the hand was tabled you should point out mistakes like this. If he flashed the cards to the OP and then mucked that's a different story, and falls under the one play to a hand rule. But once a hand is tabled i will do everything possible to make sure the actual best hand wins the pot.

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Edge34 · #8 03-18-2005, 05:59 PM

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Cards speak. If the hand was tabled you should point out mistakes like this. If he flashed the cards to the OP and then mucked that's a different story, and falls under the one play to a hand rule. But once a hand is tabled i will do everything possible to make sure the actual best hand wins the pot.

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Seriously, this is painfully clear. All this BS about getting in trouble outside the casino and "staying out of the way" is bush league. Learning such a poor lesson is surprising, but I'm going to guess since it was learned at 2/4, it was taught to Avid by some old nit who lost the pot as he deserved.

Sponger15SB · #9 03-18-2005, 06:45 PM

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Cards speak. If the hand was tabled you should point out mistakes like this. If he flashed the cards to the OP and then mucked that's a different story, and falls under the one play to a hand rule. But once a hand is tabled i will do everything possible to make sure the actual best hand wins the pot.

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Seriously, this is painfully clear. All this BS about getting in trouble outside the casino and "staying out of the way" is bush league. Learning such a poor lesson is surprising, but I'm going to guess since it was learned at 2/4, it was taught to Avid by some old nit who lost the pot as he deserved.

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Exactly. I once saw a guy look at his hand (the best hand) and muck it. I and him were the only one who saw it.

Those are the situations where you shut up and don't say anything.

If the cards are face up and you lose, just accept the loss and don't expect to get bailed out by a floor decision.

AviD · #10 03-18-2005, 07:46 PM

While I do not disagree (no one can) with the cards speaking for themselves, I refuse to get involved in a hand I am not part of. Perhaps between the constant bickering that goes on at the live games I participate in or perhaps from the experience I detailed in my other post...but I'd just rather not get involved.

Its not a matter of "what happens outside the casino", its more so my enjoyment of the game. I'm not there to ensure anyone else wins but myself. Lets the cards speak for themselves, and the players involved too. I'm not there to make sure you or anyone else wins a hand they couldn't read themselves...the dealer is, and the floor behind them.

That's just my .02. And no, I'm not saying the "loser" should get the pot, I'm just saying the winner should ensure they get the pot.