ridiculous collusion on party 3/6

party36master · #1 03-17-2005, 11:11 PM

Table Multiplicity
$153 average pot on 3/6

I lost $95.
I reported it.

I'll post hands later.

daryn · #2 03-17-2005, 11:32 PM

ok everyone... take it easy... let's just see how this plays out...

GemiNiveK · #3 03-17-2005, 11:47 PM

Damnit...that's it. I'm never playing on Party skins again!

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miajag81 · #4 03-17-2005, 11:55 PM

I would think a true master of Party 3/6 would be able to recognize collusion before it cost him $95.

GemiNiveK · #5 03-18-2005, 12:00 AM

16BBs? You can lose that in just a few bad beats without any collusion. Give the guy a break...

party36master · #6 03-18-2005, 12:15 AM

Here's the evidence. These hands were played consecutively.

Colluder 1 won hand 1,2,3,4, 6,
Colluder 2 won hand 5,8
someone else (not me) actually won hand 7

1: Colluder 1 is UTG, Colluder 2 is CO
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Preflop:
UTG raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG caps, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 folds, CO raises, UTG 3-bets, CO caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, CO raises, UTG 3-bets, CO caps, UTG calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, CO raises, UTG 3-bets, CO folds.

Final Pot: 23.66 BB

2: MP3 and UTG were the colluders.
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Preflop:
UTG raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (17.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, UTG 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (15.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, UTG 3-bets, MP2 folds, MP3 caps, UTG calls.

River: (24.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, MP3 raises, UTG 3-bets, MP3 caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB
56 and Q2

3: MP2 and BB were the colluders.
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Preflop:
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 caps, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP2 raises, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, MP2 caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 22.66 BB

39 and 4Q

4: MP1 and SB were the colluders
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Preflop:
2 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 caps, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP1 raises, SB 3-bets, MP1 caps, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP1 raises, SB 3-bets, MP1 caps, SB calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP1 raises, SB 3-bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

5: UTG+2 and Button were the colluders.

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Preflop:
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+2 caps, MP1 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Button raises, BB calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (18.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Button raises, BB calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, Button caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 32.16 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
UTG+2 has Tc Js (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Jd Ah (one pair, jacks).
Button has 4h 8h (high card, jack).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 32.16 BB. 

6: BB and CO are the colluders.

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Preflop:
2 folds, MPA calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, MPA calls, CO caps, BB calls, MPA calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MPA raises, CO calls, BB 3-bets, MPA calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MPA folds, CO raises, BB 3-bets, CO caps, BB calls.

River: (18.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, CO raises, BB 3-bets, CO caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 26.66 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 6h Tc (flush, king high).
CO has 8d Js (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins 26.66 BB. 

7: MP2 and SB are colluders
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Preflop:
3 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB caps, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 raises, MP3 3-bets, SB caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, SB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 4s Qs (one pair, fours).
MP2 has 2c 9d (flush, king high).
MP3 has Ks Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 21.50 BB. 

8: UTGA and Button are colluders

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Preflop:
UTGA raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 3-bets, 3 folds, Button caps, 2 folds, UTGA calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTGA bets, UTG+2 raises, Button 3-bets, UTGA calls, UTG+2 caps, Button calls, UTGA calls.

Turn: (12.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTGA checks, UTG+2 bets, Button raises, UTGA calls, UTG+2 3-bets, Button calls, UTGA calls.

River: (21.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTGA checks, UTG+2 bets, Button raises, UTGA calls, UTG+2 3-bets, Button caps, UTGA calls, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 32.66 BB

Results in white below: 
UTGA has Kc Qd (high card, king).
CO doesn't show.
Button has Td Js (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Button wins 32.66 BB.

MicroBob · #7 03-18-2005, 12:33 AM

you could have included names or aliases or whatever it's called for the players so that it's easier to follow.

party36master · #8 03-18-2005, 12:46 AM

I edited it again. Hopefully its easier to follow now.

MicroBob · #9 03-18-2005, 12:43 AM

didn't look at them too closely...
but I don't understand what is gained in hand 6.
I don't know why he would cold-call 2-bets in hand 8.

It just looks like maniacal/awful play on those hands.

Haven't even really looked at hands 1 through 5.

disjunction · #10 03-18-2005, 01:02 AM

Sorry if I'm reading these wrong, so far it just looks like 2 maniacs at the same table. Fun and profits!

Hand 1: They wind up playing against each other HU, the only possible collusion is preflop if one had a big hand, but it's not too suspicious. River looks like a good bluff-raise.

Hand2: I haven't read the 2+2 book on collusion, but if these guys are colluding, their preflop play of capping looks -EV, now they're caught with Q2 and 56 against 2 people who with hands good enough to call a raise. Postflop there are a lot of ways for colluders to play it, so this doesn't stand out. A semi-bluff gutshot versus trips, and the hand makes sense for two aggressive players.

Hand 3: I guess you're saying they're colluding by overplaying terrible hands and just trying to push people out. But you can beat them by just playing tight. Again, it doesn't look like a good collusion strategy.

Edit: Actually hand3 looks a little suspicious. They try to push the third player out when they can act as a team. But they may have decided on those actions independently. Also, sometimes when you know there's another maniac at the table, there's a kind of implied collusion, you know what he'll do. I'd take these guys at my table anytime, collusion or no. Wait for a decent hand and hold onto it for dear life.