better way to play this, especially the river.

SuitedDucks · #1 03-17-2005, 02:46 PM

table is loose and generally does not play well afte the flop.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (15.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

crunchy1 · #2 03-17-2005, 02:50 PM

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better way to play this, especially the river.

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On the river: No - that river sucks donkey balls

On the flop: Yes - RAISE!!

Fat Nicky · #3 03-17-2005, 03:32 PM

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On the flop: Yes - RAISE!!

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are you sure you want to raise the flop here and possibly stop UTG & UTG+1 to stop betting with their overcards or a medium pocket pair. We flopped a monster, yes we could raise and get re-raised here, that would be the optimal scenario, but I think we could afford to give away free card with minimal risk and hope someone catches a nice 2nd best hand.

SuitedDucks · #4 03-17-2005, 06:11 PM

Does anyone else raise the flop here. My line of thinking was pretty much spelled out by fat nicky. I"ve flopped a monster hand, i'd like to keep some people in the hand.

applej25 · #5 03-17-2005, 07:45 PM

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Does anyone else raise the flop here

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I do! I've learned that in situations like these, nobody will give you credit anyway so you might as well start raising on the flop. I just jam it non-stop. Then when whoever flopped trips starts raising on the turn you can keep pumping it.

ZZZ · #6 03-17-2005, 02:54 PM

At first glance I thought you were toast, but after staring at this awhile, I think UTG has AA quite a bit more often than a K (with a K, he'd often only go 3 bets on the turn, and he would almost certainly bet the river). Bet the river fold to a raise.

Flop and turn look fine.

ZZZ

wrto4556 · #7 03-17-2005, 06:25 PM

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At first glance I thought you were toast, but after staring at this awhile, I think UTG has AA quite a bit more often than a K (with a K, he'd often only go 3 bets on the turn, and he would almost certainly bet the river). Bet the river fold to a raise.

Flop and turn look fine.

ZZZ

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Betting the river is fine, but there is no way you can fold to a raise. The pot is large enough to make folding the best hand for one bet a *massive* blunder.

I like the rest.

ZZZ · #8 03-18-2005, 07:21 PM

You have a point, but it would take some major balls for UTG to check raise the river without a boat. It really really looks like hero has a K or a 7.

When to pay off turn and river raises is definitely the toughest part of the game for me, so I could easily be off in my assessment that hero will be beat >95% of the time after a river check raise.

Anways, results? I only ask because my read of AA for UTG is very strong here.

ZZZ

SuitedDucks · #9 03-18-2005, 07:40 PM

villain shows AA and MHIG.

27offsooot · #10 03-17-2005, 03:23 PM

I think that not betting the river is a mistake.