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15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls. Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9 BB BB is a TAG. I'm not sure if I like this line. |
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
flop cap sucks
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
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Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls. Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9 BB BB is a TAG. I'm not sure if I like this line. [/ QUOTE ] IMO you are chip-spewing. A tag may try this line with AQ-ATs to attempt to get you off of a big ace if rags hit the flop, but there is a K out there. It clearly doesn't scare him. It should scare you. |
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
What would you suggest instead?
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
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Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls. Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9 BB BB is a TAG. I'm not sure if I like this line. [/ QUOTE ] I think that there are 2 possibilites. (1) call the flop raise and fold the turn UI. It feels weak, but I think it feels right, too. If he is making a move, good for him. (2) Smooth call the flop and pop the turn if a brick hits. IMO this way you may geta free showdonw for 5SB, whereas with your line, you invested 4SB and dumped it. The real question is, would villain 3-bet the pf raiser if he couldn't beat a K? I kinda doubt it. EDIT: I should add that I have played all of 30 hands at 15/30, so I may be way out of my league here. |
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
I think calling the 3-bet and folding the turn UI is probably the worst choice, which is what led me to this line. The only card I'm going to be happy seeing is a T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I'm pretty much throwing that 1SB away by calling the 3-bet.
Smooth calling the flop and popping the turn is ok but there are better lines. If he has a strong hand you're going to get 3-bet or led into on the river and there goes your free showdown. You might get him to fold a K but if he's leading into you on the flop, I doubt it. I'd rather just call down. If we were HU, I'd call down from the flop but I didn't want the SB to tag along. I think after I've been 3-bet there are only 2 options. Folding or raising. Calling would only be for meta-game reasons. Capping the flop sends an extremely strong signal to the BB. A lot of times people will lead and 3-bet with strong draws or midpair or a pocket pair below the top pair (88, 99). When I cap, I find out exactly where I'm out on the turn. Him leading out makes it an extremely easy fold. Had he not led out, I would've checked behind and called a bet on the river. Oh and I don't care what limits you play. I look at the advice you give. Edit: Ok, after thinking about this some more, I see three possible lines to take. 1) Fold to the flop bet. 2) What I did. 3) Call down. In order of what I think is best. |
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
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I think calling the 3-bet and folding the turn UI is probably the worst choice, which is what led me to this line. The only card I'm going to be happy seeing is a T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I'm pretty much throwing that 1SB away by calling the 3-bet. Smooth calling the flop and popping the turn is ok but there are better lines. If he has a strong hand you're going to get 3-bet or led into on the river and there goes your free showdown. You might get him to fold a K but if he's leading into you on the flop, I doubt it. I'd rather just call down. If we were HU, I'd call down from the flop but I didn't want the SB to tag along. I think after I've been 3-bet there are only 2 options. Folding or raising. Calling would only be for meta-game reasons. Capping the flop sends an extremely strong signal to the BB. A lot of times people will lead and 3-bet with strong draws or midpair or a pocket pair below the top pair (88, 99). When I cap, I find out exactly where I'm out on the turn. Him leading out makes it an extremely easy fold. Had he not led out, I would've checked behind and called a bet on the river. Oh and I don't care what limits you play. I look at the advice you give. Edit: Ok, after thinking about this some more, I see three possible lines to take. 1) Fold to the flop bet. 2) What I did. 3) Call down. In order of what I think is best. [/ QUOTE ] I have got to believe that he isn't fooling around by betting into you on this flop. Would he bet here hoping that you have AQ or QQ-TT? That would take some stones. I think folding to the flop bet may be weak tight, but I don't hate it. After more thought, I think I could live with poppiing the flop and having that be the last bet I put in the pot, unless it checks to me on the river. I hate this hand by the way. |
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
I'd really appreciate some more opinions on this hand. I think it's pretty interesting.
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Re: 15/30 TT with an overcard vs a TAG. how\'s this line?
a few different things about this hand.
1) its 15/30 2) the board isnt paired 3) i had a rainbow flop i think with this hand that you posted there are more drawy possibilities in addition to the overcard. id probably call down the 3-bet in your situation. |
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