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Old 03-12-2005, 05:40 PM
Bartholow Bartholow is offline
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Default A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online

I don't know how interesting this hand actually is, but I really enjoyed my play. Seat 7 is loose and aggressive, both here and also in holdem where he sees ~60% of flops. We had butt heads a few times as I like to be the loose aggressive one at stud [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].


7 Card Stud High (20/40), ante 2.

3rd Street

Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]__bring-ins (5)__calls
Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]__completes
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]__folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]__folds
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]__folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]__folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__calls


4th Street

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__bets
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]__checks__calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]__checks__calls

5th Street

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]__bets
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]__folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]__calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__folds

6th Street

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__raises
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]__bets__calls

River

Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]__bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx__checks__folds
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Old 03-12-2005, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online

nicely done
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Old 03-12-2005, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online

ni han
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Old 03-12-2005, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online



Awesome, did you show?
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Old 03-14-2005, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online

I probably just limp on third. If the ante were $3, I'd like the completion more.

I don't think that the sixth street raise is worthwhile. I'm glad it worked out, but I don't think that the other guy will fold, either on sixth or seventh, often enough to make it profitable. Obviously, the free showdown isn't worth a whole lot if you miss.
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Old 03-14-2005, 03:21 PM
Bartholow Bartholow is offline
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Finally, a real critique.

I think the completion is clear. Why do you dislike it? Everyone's doorcards are low, my 2-flush is completely live, over half the players have dead doorcards in addition to being low. Even though I'm in early position I think I have some chance to steal the ante right away, and even more chance to get called but then steal the pot later.

I think you are right about 6th street. If somehow the player were tight but also could be in the hand without real values, it might make sense, but this guy is going to call too often. And at the time I think that I thought free showdown could be good if I caught a big pair at the end, but in reality he's not going to have just the one pair nearly often enough to make it worth it.

Luckily, the reason I've always said I play in that game is that even though I'm not great at stud, a lot of the other players are even worse.
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Old 03-14-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default And thanks for the response! NT

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Old 03-14-2005, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: A bluff that worked, $20/$40 online

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Even though I'm in early position I think I have some chance to steal the ante right away

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not trying to be nit picky here. But ::

You got 3 callers. You might have had a decent shot a stealing the antes. This hand might just be a strange example. But the number of callers suggests that the game was loose enough that the completion wasn't going to be effective very often.
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Old 03-14-2005, 05:48 PM
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Most often after a raise there the pot would end up headsup in this game. 2nd most likely would be 3 way, then winning the antes, followed by more multiway, IME. But I get what you are saying.
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Old 03-14-2005, 09:07 PM
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I actually don't mind the third street raise. Even if you don't steal the antes, you're still in good shape.

After thinking about it, I guess I don't really like the bluff. I think he has 2 pair here. What makes you think he's folding? He doesn't have a 3 flush or 3 straight, otherwise he probably wouldn't have kept on going past 4th street.

(I don't think i've ever folded 2 pair heads up, even when my opponent has 3 of a kind showing. Its just not in my nature.)

This hand is really puzzling my now.
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