Republicans who want war, but won't enlist.

[QuadsOverQuads]

I'd like an honest answer from our resident GOP spammers :

Given that you're so gung-ho for the invasion and occupation of Iraq (and Iran, and Syria, and God-knows-how-many beyond that), I seriously want to know why you are spending your time playing poker and posting on this message board, rather than enlisting to serve in your allegedly Great And Moral Cause?

Do you believe that this is TRULY a great and moral cause, or does your rhetoric somehow fall short when it comes to putting your OWN ass on the line?

And if you DO believe your own rhetoric, then I seriously want to know why you're here, instead of over there.

Why haven't you signed up yet?

Do you intend to sign up in the future?

If so, when?

And if not, why not?

I'd honestly like to hear your answers to these questions.

Over 1500 American soldiers have died because of your lust for war. Over ten thousand have suffered severe injury. Many times that number have been put into harm's way, and yet here you sit, spamming the internet from the comfort of your living rooms while someone else does the fighting and bleeding and dying for you. I want to know why you aren't willing to stand among them. I want to know why you aren't already standing among them. And I suspect many of our soldiers are wondering the same thing, too.

I await your explanations.


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[zaxx19]

No bc I like poor white trash to do my fighting along with hispanics and poor black kids.......

Oh wait Im just like the let wing 1960's era hippies. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Ive already said I believe there should be a mandatory 2 yr national service period for ALL American youth 17/8-19 or 20 yrs old. One of the options would be serving in the military. I probably wouldnt serve bc I have chronic problems with a fallen arch and shinsplints making jogging(consequently boot camp) really quite impossible.

[vulturesrow]

This post is one of the more asinine I've seen in a while. However I will say something about this overwrought attempt to "expose hypocrisy".

June of this year will mark my 7th year of military service. I particularly would like to address this particular line in your post.

And I suspect many of our soldiers are wondering the same thing, too.

Your suspicions are wrong. Most soldiers are too busy doing their job to worry about them motivation of those back home. We appreciate those that support us, dont pay much attention to those that dont. And we understand the need for civilian control of the military, which at least tangentially, you are making a case against.

Its funny how many liberals love to accuse conservatives of being close minded, say we dont like diversity, and yet you march in virtual lockstep here on this board, leveling the same tired criticisms, flailing about with the same rusty hyperbole that I've seen time and again. You never take the time to look at conservative views with fresh eyes, something in my opinion that the conservatives on this board as a whole are more willing to do then the libs.

FWIW, I was a registered Democrat when I got my officer's commission.

[QuadsOverQuads]

So: you're career military, a commissioned officer, and (given the timestamp on your post) you don't appear to be operating on Iraqi time right now.

So, this begs the question: have you requested a transfer to duty in Iraq?

If so, what was the response?

And if not, why not?

Do you intend to do so in the future?

If so, when?

And if not, why not?

Also, for the record: I have several commissioned officers in my immediate family. They know as well as you do that Bush's support among the officers is FAR higher than his support among the general troop population. Of course, your average soldier doing occupation duty in Iraq right now doesn't have unfettered access to the internet, nor the time to surf poker forums trying to pump up the GOP. Funny, that.


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[Dead]

Stop being treasonous. The world would be better off without liberals.

[QuadsOverQuads]

So I've been told [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Funny thing is, the guy who says it is usually some fat-ass guy in his 40's who thinks he's done his duty because he put a sticker on his car. Oh, and he wants the military to handle getting rid of me, too (just as soon as they've handled all the rest of his power-fantasies for him). Funny how they think a Bush-Cheney bumper sticker suddenly turns the military into their own personal army of "gofers".


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[Dead]

Don't worry.

Jesus loves liberals.

He was a liberal himself.

All these conservatives are in for a rude awakening in the afterlife.

An afterlife conversation might go something like this.

Jesus: How much did you give to charity, jaxmike?
Jaxmike: Uh... none. I also voted Republican because I wanted poor people to understand the concept of "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY".

Jesus: Why did you vote for a candidate who cut hundreds of thousands of people off the health care rolls, jaxmike?

Jaxmike:Uh... personal responsibility.

Jesus then presses the Hell button on his chair.

Feel free to substitute Zaxx's or natedogg's name in for Jaxmike.

[vulturesrow]

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So: you're career military, a commissioned officer, and (given the timestamp on your post) you don't appear to be operating on Iraqi time right now.

So, this begs the question: have you requested a transfer to duty in Iraq?

If so, what was the response?

And if not, why not?

Do you intend to do so in the future?

If so, when?

And if not, why not?

Also, for the record: I have several commissioned officers in my immediate family. They know as well as you do that Bush's support among the officers is FAR higher than his support among the general troop population. Of course, your average soldier doing occupation duty in Iraq right now doesn't have unfettered access to the internet, nor the time to surf poker forums trying to pump up the GOP. Funny, that.


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I spent two carrier deployments flying missions in that theatre. One deployment was flying missions over Afghanistan. The other was flying missions over Iraq. I find your grilling of me rather distateful but typical of the lemming like liberal behavior I see in here so often. I think you need to go find some statistics because I dont think the support for Bush among officers is significantly higher than among enlisted personnel. At any rate, that has no applicability to this discussion. Surely you arent suggesting that because I have a commission I have no idea what the people that work for me think about politics?

M already pointed out the flaw with your premise, so there isnt much more for me to say.

[QuadsOverQuads]

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I spent two carrier deployments flying missions in that theatre. One deployment was flying missions over Afghanistan. The other was flying missions over Iraq. I find your grilling of me rather distateful but typical of the lemming like liberal behavior I see in here so often. I think you need to go find some statistics because I dont think the support for Bush among officers is significantly higher than among enlisted personnel. At any rate, that has no applicability to this discussion. Surely you arent suggesting that because I have a commission I have no idea what the people that work for me think about politics?

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I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I'm a "lemming like liberal", seeing as I'm actually an ex-Republican (which would have come up earlier, except that for all the back-and-forth here nobody has even bothered to ask). But I'll let that go for the moment, since I'm sure that all "liberals" must be "lemming-like" in that special fantasy world of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Whatever. On to things of actual relevence.

You state that you have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm actually glad to hear that, since it's only the second straight answer to my original question that I've gotten so far (and to your credit, you didn't claim "fallen arches").

If you find my response "distasteful", well, I guess that's just what political discourse in this country has come to. Republicans lie and dodge and do just about anything to avoid giving a straight answer to a simple question like this, and I've become very accustomed to them doing it, so I'm going to keep pushing until I get one. If that pushing seems uncivil, well, that's life. I'd prefer a more civil mode, but it's like a lawyer who's faced with a "hostile witness" : he quickly learns that civility is a luxury, whereas the pursuit of truth is not.

Regardless, I still find it interesting that the only current Republican who actually has put their money where there mouth is on the Iraq issue is an ex-Dem who originally enlisted as a Dem. I just keep wondering where all the Republican enlistees are. From what I'm hearing, military recruiters are wondering that same thing, too, because just about every branch of the service is coming up short (apparantly, all those Young Republicans out there who love to scream at "evil liberals" have, coincidentally, decided that they have better things to do when it comes to military service. Shocking, I know).

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M already pointed out the flaw with your premise, so there isnt much more for me to say.

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M tried to dodge the point, and apparantly has given a few other Republicans some cover-rhetoric to hide behind. But the fact remains: you can guage the sincerity of a man's words by his actions. A man who will "support a war" by sending someone else to fight it for him, but who won't step up and join in that fight himself, is a fraud. And no matter how many stickers he puts on his car, he remains a fraud nonetheless. I do not count you in this catagory, because you have put your money where your mouth is. Your Republican friends on this board, however, seem occupied with either making excuses or remaining conspicuously silent. To them, I offer no such respect. They're simply playing political fantasy-games with other people's lives. Why on earth anyone in the military would consider such people "supporters" is beyond me.


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[Vince Young]

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I spent two carrier deployments flying missions in that theatre. One deployment was flying missions over Afghanistan. The other was flying missions over Iraq. I find your grilling of me rather distateful but typical of the lemming like liberal behavior I see in here so often. I think you need to go find some statistics because I dont think the support for Bush among officers is significantly higher than among enlisted personnel. At any rate, that has no applicability to this discussion. Surely you arent suggesting that because I have a commission I have no idea what the people that work for me think about politics?

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I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I'm a "lemming like liberal"

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I can't imagine. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]