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Old 03-07-2005, 02:29 AM
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30-60 at canterbury full game good game. Im in the SB with the Jc3c. 2 players limp i complete and bb checks.

Flop comes 9c 5c 5h. I bet, BB raises both other players fold.

King of diamonds on the turn (9c 5c 5h Kd). I check and BB quickly checks. BB is a very bad player who plays 40-50% of his hands, is pretty non aggressive and doesnt bluff much but is capable of a bluff. But when he checks behind I am 95% sure he flopped a flush draw.

K of spades on the river (9c 5c 5h Kd Ks). $240 in the pot. Whats my play and why?
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Old 03-07-2005, 02:42 AM
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Old 03-07-2005, 02:48 AM
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that simple? the board is double paired. take that into consideration? his queen high flush draw might look good to him to call with on the river. But will he value bet with queen high or "bluff" with queen high.
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Old 03-07-2005, 05:33 AM
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fwiw I think the only thing worse than betting is check/folding.
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Old 03-07-2005, 02:48 AM
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My instinct says check-raise. If you bet, he calls with ace high clubs i'm almost sure and folds the clubs you beat.

If you check and call he could beat you with the Q of clubs and he just might muck ace high clubs. Checking and calling is better than checking and folding or betting, but I still think a c/r is the best play. I'll think about it more but that's my innitial reaction.
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Old 03-07-2005, 04:30 PM
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My instinct says check-raise. If you bet, he calls with ace high clubs i'm almost sure and folds the clubs you beat.

If you check and call he could beat you with the Q of clubs and he just might muck ace high clubs. Checking and calling is better than checking and folding or betting, but I still think a c/r is the best play. I'll think about it more but that's my innitial reaction.

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You really think it's worth it to put in 2 BB to attempt to win that 4.5 BB pot?
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Old 03-07-2005, 04:32 PM
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My instinct says check-raise. If you bet, he calls with ace high clubs i'm almost sure and folds the clubs you beat.

If you check and call he could beat you with the Q of clubs and he just might muck ace high clubs. Checking and calling is better than checking and folding or betting, but I still think a c/r is the best play. I'll think about it more but that's my innitial reaction.

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You really think it's worth it to put in 2 BB to attempt to win that 4.5 BB pot?

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If that's what it takes.
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Old 03-07-2005, 04:37 PM
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My instinct says check-raise. If you bet, he calls with ace high clubs i'm almost sure and folds the clubs you beat.

If you check and call he could beat you with the Q of clubs and he just might muck ace high clubs. Checking and calling is better than checking and folding or betting, but I still think a c/r is the best play. I'll think about it more but that's my innitial reaction.

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You really think it's worth it to put in 2 BB to attempt to win that 4.5 BB pot?

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If that's what it takes.

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That's the wrong answer. This is not NL where you can push all in knowing that A high won't call you. In this case, the OP's opponent, a very bad player, will call that last BB out of curiousity with any hand that beats the OP's.
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Old 03-07-2005, 04:30 AM
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I think betting is better, after thinking about it long and hard. I can only think of one scenario where checkraising is better and that's when he has ace high flush draw, and even then, he may make a curiosity call if you check raise him. I think with your image if you bet he'll fold q-high almost always (in a general statement w/o knowing the exact person you're referring to).
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Old 03-07-2005, 05:21 AM
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i think check-call is right. im quite surprised by BKs thinking that checkraising to bluff out a Q of clubs is a strong play, considering that i think most players would check down the queen of clubs. a strong player would probably value bet his ace here, but i dont think many weak players will.
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