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throw crappy top pair away?
Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds. River: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, SB folds. Final Pot: 9 BB This was my first hand at Pacific, I played it a little off. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Is it worth check calling this on the flop if UTG bets, a couple of people call, and I close the betting with about 10SB in the pot? |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
A 6 probably gives you the best hand, a 2 almost definitely gives you the best hand.
I'll give you 5.5 outs, so you need 7.4-1 to call. You're getting 8-1 so you should have called. Mark it all the way down to 5 outs and you need 8.2-1 to call. Still a good call considering you're closing the action and your implied odds are fairly decent. |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
I didn't even consider calling on the turn. I guess the turn fold was a worse play than the flop bet even. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
Edit: Is it worth discounting the outs a little more in case the pot gets split if I hit the deuce? I know it's unlikely that someone would call 2 bets on the flop with a 1 card low end OESD, but this is micro limit... If I do discount the outs a little, I think it's a fold on the turn. |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
Yeah but I didn't even account for the times you hit a 7 and take down the whole pot. You should probably give about 1 out to the 7's, so you definitely have to call this.
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
Hmm. Interesting hand.
You have the weak side of the OESD, a BDFD, and top pair. This is definitely worth a flop bet. It sucks that UTG raised here, but so be it. I strongly doubt that UTG has 87 for the flopped nut straight, because he would have slow-played it for sure. On the turn, you're closing the action getting 8:1. Here is how I'm counting our outs here: 4 outs for 2s 1 out for 7s .5 outs for 6s .5 outs for 3s I'm thinking we have about 6 outs here, and this is probably a little conservative. 45/6 = 7.5 The turn is a call. |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
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Hmm. Interesting hand. You have the weak side of the OESD, a BDFD, and top pair. This is definitely worth a flop bet. It sucks that UTG raised here, but so be it. I strongly doubt that UTG has 87 for the flopped nut straight, because he would have slow-played it for sure. On the turn, you're closing the action getting 8:1. Here is how I'm counting our outs here: 4 outs for 2s 1 out for 7s .5 outs for 6s .5 outs for 3s I'm thinking we have about 6 outs here, and this is probably a little conservative. 45/6 = 7.5 The turn is a call. [/ QUOTE ] What he said. |
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45/6 = 7.5 The turn is a call. [/ QUOTE ] I am not commenting on the hand but wouldn't 6 outs on the turn be 40 to 6 or 6.7 to 1? |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
Yes, it would be.
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
I meant 46/6 = 7.67.
Yes, you're correct about the odds of us hitting one of our outs being 40:6, as in 40 cards are not "out" cards and 6 are. The number 7.67 represents how large the pot would get if we made a break-even call. So, it includes our call (ie. 7.7 = 6.7 + 1) because 6/46 is the actual probability of us hitting our card. It's just my way of thinking, but we get to the same result. The bottom line is that 9 > 7.67 or 8 > 6.67. It means the same thing. |
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Re: throw crappy top pair away?
thanks for clearing that up. with math, i am lucky to understand one way [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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