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Table is full of loose passive players, just like a typical Party table. What would you do on this flop? I checked to open the action because the board was just THAT ugly.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls. Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Hero ... |
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Betting out might be just slightly slightly better than checking, but it's definitely a fold when it comes back to you either way.
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Out of curiousity, why would betting be better than checking? I mean, as much as being aggressive is compared to godliness around here, I felt that this was one situation where there was absolutely no place for it. To tell you the truth, I almost just folded instead of even checking.
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Out of curiousity, why would betting be better than checking? I mean, as much as being aggressive is compared to godliness around here, I felt that this was one situation where there was absolutely no place for it. To tell you the truth, I almost just folded instead of even checking. [/ QUOTE ] My reasoning is there are 10SB in the pot. If you check, you pretty much give up any claim at all to that pot. If you bet and noone happens to have an A or a high club, you might very well get it down to heads up--and the club only comes in 1/3 of the time. If you bet and get raised or 3-bet, it's an easy fold against LPPs. Loose-passive players don't raise flush draws (in general). |
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If you check, you pretty much give up any claim at all to that pot. [/ QUOTE ] In these exact circumstances I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. |
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[ QUOTE ] If you check, you pretty much give up any claim at all to that pot. [/ QUOTE ] In these exact circumstances I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. [/ QUOTE ] Even though I learn best by arguing my position until I see why it's wrong, I think that you might be right here simply because: What happens if these LPs just call, say 2 of them, and a safe card comes on the turn, say 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? I think that I have to bet again, even though their calls have told me that I'm very likely beaten and they just aren't aggressive enough to raise and I'm pushing a 2d-best (or 3rd or 4th best) hand. |
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[ QUOTE ] Out of curiousity, why would betting be better than checking? I mean, as much as being aggressive is compared to godliness around here, I felt that this was one situation where there was absolutely no place for it. To tell you the truth, I almost just folded instead of even checking. [/ QUOTE ] My reasoning is there are 10SB in the pot. If you check, you pretty much give up any claim at all to that pot. If you bet and noone happens to have an A or a high club, you might very well get it down to heads up--and the club only comes in 1/3 of the time. If you bet and get raised or 3-bet, it's an easy fold against LPPs. Loose-passive players don't raise flush draws (in general). [/ QUOTE ] You'd have to be a moron to fold in a multiway pot getting 15:1 odds to draw to whatever you are drawing to. Unless, of course, you were drawing to 1 out. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Then it's a fold, and it's not even close. This was just one of those hands where I was more than happy to relinquish any equity I had in the pot. I've never been so happy to fold pocket kings in my entire life. |
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I would've bet the flop, but since you didn't I would fold with it 3-bet back to me. I'm questioning your read of "loose passive" with all this action, but even assuming that it's loose aggressive, one of these guys certainly has an A. Even if they don't, a single club kills our hand.
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I would've bet the flop, but since you didn't I would fold with it 3-bet back to me. I'm questioning your read of "loose passive" with all this action, but even assuming that it's loose aggressive, one of these guys certainly has an A. Even if they don't, a single club kills our hand. [/ QUOTE ] The table was very passive. What do you do on this flop if you have the Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in your hand with this many people around? I'm pumping for value. It doesn't really take a good player to make that sort of play. I mean, hell, I'd do it! |
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[ QUOTE ] I would've bet the flop, but since you didn't I would fold with it 3-bet back to me. I'm questioning your read of "loose passive" with all this action, but even assuming that it's loose aggressive, one of these guys certainly has an A. Even if they don't, a single club kills our hand. [/ QUOTE ] The table was very passive. What do you do on this flop if you have the Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in your hand with this many people around? I'm pumping for value. It doesn't really take a good player to make that sort of play. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, absolutely. And if it really is passive and they've all come to life then we have even less business in the pot than otherwise. |
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