How normal is this??? Too much TV?

bigfishead · #1 02-20-2005, 10:48 AM

I have been playing 3-6, 6-12, 9-18, 10-20 & only occasionally 20-40 for some years with success. In a poker room situation I tend to become regarded as a tight ass aggressive. With that gets me a certain amount of respect for my hand often times. Not that people dont want to suck out mind you, but they tend to slow down when I 3 bet them or 4 bet them. So whats up with the internet?

Typical situation: I am 16% VP$IP. I raise 4 loose limpers in 5-10 from the button with 1010. Blinds fold. Flop comes K92. It gets checked to me and I bet. EP folds, next guy check-raises, next folds, to me and I 3-bet hoping it'll A. Slow him down. B. Maybe buy me a free card. C. Find out if he really has me beat by 4 betting me. D. Get to the river for a show down.
Well he calls the 3 bet then fires on the turn 6. I decide screw it I am calling this yahoo down. He bets a river blank and I call and he shows me pocket fours. MHIG

I see this CONSTANTLY. EVEN with 2 other players jamming at the pot there is someone drawing totally and completely dead and they try to "put a move on". But I almost NEVER see this in a poker room. Is this a "new move" sweeping the internet? I mean they try it with ZERO shot at taking down the pot. Even when there has been a river bet & call they want to raise to try to take down a 15 big bet pot. WITH NO PAIR!!

Is this happening alot? I mean with a KQx flop and a preflop raiser raises the flop bet and these guys want to check raise to represent ? wtf are they trying to represent that will get everyone to lay down?

I really am serious here. I am totally confused & baffled. I may need to call down a whole lot more hands on the internet. Yet I am still quite profitable. Any thoughts or similiar experiences?

Regards

TripleH68 · #2 02-20-2005, 11:56 AM

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Is this happening alot? I mean with a KQx flop and a preflop raiser raises the flop bet and these guys want to check raise to represent ? wtf are they trying to represent that will get everyone to lay down?

I really am serious here. I am totally confused & baffled. I may need to call down a whole lot more hands on the internet. Yet I am still quite profitable. Any thoughts or similiar experiences?

Regards

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Yup. Take notes. Though these players tend to jump out of the game after a couple of these show down.

Noodles · #3 02-20-2005, 02:46 PM

yea i knwo what you mean,but when you get good hands against these nuts you make a fortune.
I think it is because it is so easy to keep betting and rasing in online poker,all these guys have to do is click a mouse,they might be different in a card room with the whole table staring at them,
easy to be brave online

JackWilson · #4 02-20-2005, 03:01 PM

Okay, I'm not saying you shouldn't raise his ass on the flop, but don't list "getting a free card" as a reason. You have 2 outs. A free card is not going to help you at all. If you mean getting a "free" showdown then that is understandable.

2000Flushes · #5 02-20-2005, 03:09 PM

I love these guys, they get a 1 word note "Clown"

be careful though, at lower limits it's most likely a fool, but once in a while you find a good player might do something funky along these lines. So just make sure you don't write them off too soon.

jskills · #6 02-20-2005, 03:44 PM

Inexperienced players have a very hard time releasing a pocket pair, especially if they've learned the game while watching the (6 max) World Poker Tour (tournament) play. I think the thinking goes like this : "People pushing in several hundred grand with a small pocket pair pre-flop? Guess I can certainly keep betting/calling with the same hand on a .50/1 limit table right?"

I've seen the same thing countless times. It's tough when you're pretty sure YHIG but this bizarre behavior has your leaning against value better the river because of it ...

Harv72b · #7 02-20-2005, 03:58 PM

This one happened to me yesterday. See if you can guess what the villain had:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, BB folds.

River: (6.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB
Main Pot: 14.66 BB, between Hero and MP2.

As far as why this happens on the internet:

1) People like to bluff & semibluff more online because it's easier. Instead of physically pushing chips into the pot, you click a button. Instead of having to look the guy in the face when he calls you down and finds out you were on a ridiculously bad bluff, you're still a faceless icon (and can easily get up and switch tables). You don't have to worry about giving tells when bluffing.
2) Even assuming the given player has a poker room/casino nearby, it's a much smaller committment to open an online account than to walk into said game and buy your chips.
3) Online chips don't seem like "real money", certainly not as much as the chips which you physically handle in a live game.
4) More hands per hour = more chances for them to actually get lucky and win a huge hand with a bizarre stunt like this.

There are more reasons...mainly, you just have to understand that people are going to try crazy bluffs against you, and weigh your decision to fold or continue on that chance vs. the size of the pot.

bigfishead · #8 02-20-2005, 04:30 PM

Ok I'll bite....goofball has counterfeited pocket pair?

you said: "4) More hands per hour = more chances for them to actually get lucky and win a huge hand with a bizarre stunt like this.

There are more reasons...mainly, you just have to understand that people are going to try crazy bluffs against you, and weigh your decision to fold or continue on that chance vs. the size of the pot. "

What amazes me is not so much how my hand above in this thread played out but more amazing is how a hand like yours above, when they try to either raise, check-raise, or reraise. And they may in fact have a counterfeited underpair!! And it may be against 2 or more players!!! With no freakin way to get away with it and win!! And they do this all on the river!!

JackWilson · #9 02-20-2005, 04:42 PM

Okay, but you have to admit it makes you feel sexy when you checkraise someone on all three streets, regardless of what you have.

bigfishead · #10 02-20-2005, 05:02 PM

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Okay, but you have to admit it makes you feel sexy when you checkraise someone on all three streets, regardless of what you have.

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I have successfully pulled this off 1 time in the last 6-7 years. Got the "hat trick" and a round of applause and cheers from the entire table. Difference was I knew where he was at. I knew he would bet. I knew he would call. And I knew I needed to get there. And I knew when I did.

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