Flopped overcards with nut straight draw, good play here?

Dave G. · #1 02-13-2005, 04:00 AM

Who likes raising the flop here? Is it worth it to try and get BB to fold?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero ?

Sykes · #2 02-13-2005, 04:03 AM

Any reads on MP1? You could be behind JJ/QQ/KK/AA here and have the T be your only out. I would say call, and fold the turn unimproved.

Dave G. · #3 02-13-2005, 04:07 AM

No reads as yet, I hadn't been at the table for long. I would have thought he would have been more aggressive preflop if he had high pocket pairs.

Dead · #4 02-13-2005, 04:09 AM

Why do you automatically assume that MP1 has a high pocket. Mp1 is not the one who 3bet preflop. BB is. I like a call here on the flop for Hero.

dkernler · #5 02-13-2005, 04:10 AM

I'm wondering what BB 3-bet with PF and didn't like about this flop. One possibility is a check/3-bet coming after you. Do we know anything about the BB? I'm tempted to call here and see what happens.

Sykes · #6 02-13-2005, 04:14 AM

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I'm wondering what BB 3-bet with PF and didn't like about this flop. One possibility is a check/3-bet coming after you. Do we know anything about the BB? I'm tempted to call here and see what happens.

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You read my mind. I wouldn't be surprised if BB check-raised here on this flop.

dkernler · #7 02-13-2005, 04:17 AM

You see, we can agree sometimes. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I'd be very surprised if MP1 had a high pocket pair. TP or 2nd pr are both likely. Possibly even a set, but who knows at this point. BB is what I'm more afraid of.

Dave G. · #8 02-13-2005, 04:27 AM

In the end BB ended up cold calling and MP1 3-bet, which was pretty confusing given the preflop action. I probably should have let it go after the 3 bet, but on the turn I have odds to keep drawing to only the straight, right?

Here's the whole hand:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has As 2s (high card, ace).
MP1 has Js Qs (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14.25 BB.

hate · #9 02-13-2005, 04:30 AM

What? That 4 is a diamond, isn't it? You just folded a nut flush draw?

Dead · #10 02-13-2005, 04:35 AM

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What? That 4 is a diamond, isn't it? You just folded a nut flush draw?

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The 4d came on the river.