Delicate bubble spot

Tosh · #1 02-11-2005, 07:58 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t960)
Button (t1570)
SB (t5714)
Hero (t1756)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG all-in 960.
2 folds.

ChrisV · #2 02-11-2005, 11:48 AM

Call.

shoeman · #3 02-11-2005, 11:52 AM

I would have to call as you are getting 2.4/1 odds. If you are playing at a $10/1 table, get ready for the rest of the bunch to start calling you an idiot.

1C5 · #4 02-11-2005, 11:54 AM

Question: At what point is the all in's stack where you would fold with any 2 cards instead of call?

Sean_A · #5 02-12-2005, 10:42 AM

Definite fold. While the pot odds are attractive, win probablity is too small to risk going on the bubble in case of a loss.

Scuba Chuck · #6 02-12-2005, 02:46 PM

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Definite fold. While the pot odds are attractive, win probablity is too small to risk going on the bubble in case of a loss.

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We agree fold, but I disagree with your analysis. Win probability has nothing to do with this decision here. Hell if I had K8o, I'd still fold. Hero still has a good amount of FE if he folds, and will be in position to steal blinds the next two or three orbits, than to take a chance on a coinflip that will for sure leave you crippled if you lose. I'd probably have to have a top 10% of hands to call this.

It's not just about the cards folks.

Tosh · #7 02-12-2005, 03:50 PM

Ok well looks like its not so clear cut afterall. Where's Che with his extensive analysis when you need him.

curtains · #8 02-13-2005, 05:26 AM

My instinct is to fold. I used to always call but I've changed my philosophies in these situations. I don't know if I'm right though.

Tosh · #9 02-11-2005, 08:00 PM

So the consensus is my stack size doesn't alter a standard call?

NegativeEV · #10 02-11-2005, 08:13 PM

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So the consensus is my stack size doesn't alter a standard call?

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Everyone's stack size alter's a standard call. I fold this hand and push the next (probably next two hands) with any 2. This changes if I don't believe the big stack will allow me to be first to act in either of the next two hands.