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02-07-2005, 08:41 PM
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Asking to see mucked hands
I was playing at Commerce a few weeks ago, 2-3 NL. I called a river raise with ace high and lost. A player not involved in the hand asked the dealer to turn over my hand. And then I just went off on him. Didn't raise my voice or anything, just started to lecture him.
Now, I have no problem with emotional control. However, after the 99999th time having these lowbrows ask to see a mucked hand, I snapped. The kicker is, the guy next to him (who I lost the pot to), when asked to confirm if what he did was permitted by the rules, said, "Sure, you want to find out how he plays." I've often thought about retaliating in these situations by asking the dealer to turn over every hand he shows down, but never actually done it, as I'm not the confrontational type. How high do I need to play before people stop doing that on a regular (hourly or so) basis? Are there any poker rooms that require a legitimate reason to ask to see a mucked hand? 
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#3
02-07-2005, 09:37 PM
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Re: Asking to see mucked hands
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To the best of my understanding, this isn't against the rules, so you have no recourse. Get even on the table, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Incorrect. It IS against the rules if it is just for information gathering. The rule exists to check for collusion. Next time this happens hold on to your cards and ask the floor to come over while you are checked for collusion. You will have to show them, but the floor won't like it when he has to come over next time. That will put a stop to it for good. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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02-08-2005, 04:02 AM
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This again?
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It IS against the rules if it is just for information gathering. [/ QUOTE ] So it says literally, 'it is only used for collusion'? Funny, in my room, where the rules are posted, it makes no reference to collusion at all. Btw...People are doing this online all the time with hand histories. Im sure you write to customer service just in case anyone is checking the hand histories, aren't you? ahhh. The relaxing sound of crickets. b
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#7
02-09-2005, 07:39 PM
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Re: This again?
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How can there be collusion when it is a heads up match? [/ QUOTE ] Where I play, before they implemented a way to give money to another player through the site, the only way to do it was to go to a HU table and dump. A bud of mine did this and he got a letter from the site telling him that it's frowned upon since anyone watching could get the wrong idea. b
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#8
02-08-2005, 05:03 AM
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Re: Asking to see mucked hands
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[ QUOTE ] To the best of my understanding, this isn't against the rules, so you have no recourse. Get even on the table, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Incorrect. It IS against the rules if it is just for information gathering. The rule exists to check for collusion. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, just let it go. At the large, large majority of cardrooms anyone dealt in can ask to see a hand. There are few cardrooms in a few places that don't allow it or that only allow it for suspected collusion, but they are by far in the minority. The rule doesn't do anything to stop or detect collusion, as has been discussed on these forums a thousand times. We all agree that asking to see hands is bad etiquette and people who do it are jerks, but that doesn't mean that it's okay to essentially accuse these people of cheating or violating the rules.
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#9
02-08-2005, 07:56 AM
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Re: Asking to see mucked hands
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We all agree that asking to see hands is bad etiquette and people who do it are jerks, but that doesn't mean that it's okay to essentially accuse these people of cheating or violating the rules. [/ QUOTE ] It's also bad etiquette to hold up a game, calling the floor, to resolve this stupid issue. There's much better things to put your time and effort into. b
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#10
02-09-2005, 11:00 AM
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Re: Asking to see mucked hands
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Next time this happens hold on to your cards and ask the floor to come over [/ QUOTE ] Please don't do this guys, especially if you're in a semi-good game. Don't get everyone in a shi[/i]tty mood, yourself notwithstanding, because some idiot wants to see your cards. I'm sure everyone here remembers the part of SSH where they talk about coming in behind the button and not waiting 15 minutes to post your big blind like a nit, well this is way worse. Don't call the floor. Don't make a scene. You're wasting your energy for no real gain. Tommy makes a lot of posts these days about devoting energy towards those things that are important. Even though a lot of what he says seems to be in jest, its really very good advice. You gain nothing by hiding the fact that you called the river with second pair so there is no reason to make a big deal about it. Think about the general donkishness of the idiots you play with, waht are they going to do with this knowledge? I will give you a hint, they are not going to adjust their calculations for their next Bayes' theorem equation next time they are in a pot with you. This is especially true if you are in a time game where anyone with a half of a brain is going to be fu[/i]cking pissed if you slow the game down so that you can bitch about how "the older gentleman in seat 4 is misapplying a rule." Basically, let it go. If you can't let it go then get really good at throwing your cards very hard into the muck. EDIT: Since I don't think anyone mentioned it yet in this thread, here's a link to an article Tommy Angelo wrote about this rule: http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/..._that_hand.htm
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