My most difficult flop ever - Am I weak?

Scuba Chuck · #1 02-04-2005, 02:25 AM

Is it possible anyone here would have played this post flop differently? This is on Party Poker $22 table.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t740)
MP1 (t1775)
MP2 (t715)
Hero (t695)
CO (t455)
Button (t965)
SB (t975)
BB (t550)
UTG (t490)
UTG+1 (t640)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises to t85, Hero calls t85, CO calls t85, Button calls t85, SB calls t70, 1 fold.

Flop: (t455) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t150, CO calls t150, Button folds, SB raises to t890 (All-In), MP2 folds, Hero folds, CO calls t220 (All-In).

Turn: (t1865) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1865) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1865

SB: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
CO: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Not one fXXXing spade

Laughingboy · #2 02-04-2005, 02:30 AM

You probably could have kicked the SB out with a nice-sized pre-flop reraise. (But if he's willing to push with that hand after a bet and call, who knows?)

I've often found myself getting nailed when I got greedy and slow-played a big PF hand, or bet too little on the flop looking for customers. I say reraise your aces. If everyone folds, so be it.

Scuba Chuck · #3 02-04-2005, 02:54 AM

I know I could have raised more PF. I'm sure I would have been better off, but what would you do post flop?

This happen 100 times, I think I always fold

microbet · #4 02-04-2005, 02:45 AM

I think unless SB is a known maniac, it is a fold. Now, SB is a known maniac.

Too bad he didn't hit the 4th ace. Villians need to be rewarded for those plays sometimes, and you would have had a chance to get your chips back from him.

eastbay · #5 02-04-2005, 02:52 AM

Quick note: A move-in here is more likely to mean someone thinks they have the best hand (like an overpair) but doesn't want to get drawn out on by the flush, than it does a made flush. A made flush will be slowplayed much more often than pushed here.

eastbay

Scuba Chuck · #6 02-04-2005, 02:55 AM

Eastbay, do you mean to say that you'd call?

eastbay · #7 02-04-2005, 03:00 AM

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Yeah I think I call by default there. Could go otherwise depending on opponent, but given no more information, yeah, I think it's a call.

eastbay

Laughingboy · #8 02-04-2005, 03:02 AM

I mostly agree with eastbay. Sometimes a push is a low flush here, but with a decent-sized PF raise that's less likely.

microbet · #9 02-04-2005, 03:26 AM

Yeah, but he's up against 2 players. CO called 150 on the flop and could easily have the nuts. The raise could be trips as well as overpair. One player could have 78 with 1 or 2 spades for a huge draw and be a favorite (if not made). Just about the best case would be someone at least had one spade and you were still not be a huge favorite. You had to pretty much expect a call from CO (the SB should have expected it, which makes his play especially bad).

NegativeEV · #10 02-04-2005, 02:58 PM

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Yeah I think I call by default there. Could go otherwise depending on opponent, but given no more information, yeah, I think it's a call.

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If its a call I think its close. Unless you are very comfortable with your SnG game I don't think your search for improvement should be related to identifying situations where you should make "close" all-in calls on level 2.

I'm not saying this is bad advice- I understand the reasoning and I know Eastbay is a better/more experienced SnG player than I am. However, as I become more and more comfortable and more and more successful with SnG play I continue to realize that during my early learning stages focusing on identifying times to make the right "all-in call" in "close" situations was not the right focus.

For a learning $11-$33 player, folding here and learning to make correct decisions later is better IMO. For a very experienced player who has SnG strategy down, this type of play is important. Before that, I think focusing on this type of play can be detrimental.