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#1
02-01-2005, 07:54 PM
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Hellmuth > Caught Cheating At WPO?
Played with a buddy last night who plays 4-5 nights a week in Tunica. He apparently was told (by a pokerroom manager) that hellmuth was caught cheating (chip cupping) in the $1000 rebuy event down at the Binion's event in Tunica this past month. The word is he's banned for life from the GoldStrike now...
Has anyone else heard anything about this? 
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02-01-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: Hellmuth > Caught Cheating At WPO?
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I hate to keep this thread going, but what is 'chip cupping'? [/ QUOTE ] I assume it's taking chips from a smaller buy in tourney off the table in hopes of putting them back in your stack in a larger buy in tourney. This happens all the time in CA. Think about it. You can play in a $40 buy in tourney and get to the final table with a bunch of t1000 chips. Palming a couple of them wouldn't really affect your chip position in this tourney, and would be worth $100 if you used them in lieu of a rebuy in a $100 rebuy tourney. It's a big problem in a lot of these weekly tourneys.
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02-01-2005, 11:24 PM
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Re: Hellmuth > Caught Cheating At WPO?
Surely if Phil cheated in some way, it was no doubt the greatest tactic in poker history.
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#7
02-01-2005, 11:20 PM
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Re: Hellmuth > Caught Cheating At WPO?
Ah. Gotcha. Probably difficult at a real casino, but I could see where this could be done very easily at my local card room. I actually have the exact same cards at home that my local room uses (a standard KEM design). I've often thought about how easy it would be for me to carry an extra ace with me when I go. I wouldn't do it of course, but I think it could be easily done.
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02-02-2005, 02:18 AM
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Re: Hellmuth > Caught Cheating At WPO?
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You really think Hellmuth would risk his 7 figure endorsement deals, income, etc. by cupping a few little chips??? [/ QUOTE ] 1) I never said it was true, hence the ? at the end of the title. 2) It's not exactly like it's my mothers, sister's cousin's former roommate from college. This is a pretty solid guy who's a good friend of the room manager at a cardroom in tunica. 3) While I was initially skeptical for the same reasons (he's loaded..why risk it), I have to say that I somewhat agree with the guy who said it was a solid "tactic". Hellmuth fancies himself the bad-boy of poker... he's a tool, I agree, but he's also a shrewd self-marketer. While I gave this story about 30% chance of actually being true, It honestly wouldn't surprise me....after all, who (aside from possibly annie duke) is as frustrated with the influx of "landmines" in major events? That said, I now see why I don't venture into the "TV Forum"... represents the worst of what this once-great board has to offer... a pile of flamers who offer little in substance but plenty in attitude. Whatever makes you kids sleep better at night. Again, I never said it was true, however I figured I'd get some feedback from the people here that actually knew what they were talking about (ie bigfishhead)... real dealers from down in Tunica. I'll contact the few people here that would know directly and leave this thread to die as the flame-fest that it is currently. Oh... and the "Chip Cupping" meant that he was (allegedly) pulling his stack into his hand, and tossing all but a couple of high-value chips in and "going all in". Then he'd rebuy and grab his stack with those few extra large value chips. This, as has been stated before, is a lot more common than many of the internet players would care to consider.... FYI - For curiosity's sake I just spoke with the floor supervisor at the strike and asked him about a "chip cupping incident involving hellmuth at the $1000 rebuy at the WPO. Interestingly enough he was a bit flustered and said that he is "not allowed to comment" on anything that "may have happened"...
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