80-160 Hand

HiatusOver · #1 01-30-2005, 04:39 PM

Full game with 2 spots

UTG in this hand is loose and kinda passive.
BB in this hand is loose and kinda aggressive.

The "kind of's" are a result of not playing with them more than once before and also because they seem to not always fall in line and sometimes will suprise you with there passive/aggressiveness.

The Hand : UTG limps, folded to me in the Cut-Off and I raise with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop : A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks, UTG bets, I RAISE

How am I doing so far?

What if the Big Blind was Mason Malmuth?

luong223 · #2 01-30-2005, 04:47 PM

ur playing this hand the way that i would hav

Clarkmeister · #3 01-30-2005, 04:47 PM

I like the flop raise as it will be interpreted as "not a monster" most of the time. I'd raise AA here too.

HiatusOver · #4 01-30-2005, 04:55 PM

As a sidebar, if I was on the button I would have limped with K9s here but in the cut-off my default is to raise in this spot to buy the button. Is this what everyone is doing or am I overdoing it?

Clarkmeister · #5 01-30-2005, 05:03 PM

I had a long response typed up where I said I'd fold or just call against good UTG's, but then saw that UTG was "loose and passive", in which case I'd just go ahead and raise from either the CO or the button.

HiatusOver · #6 01-30-2005, 05:06 PM

Yea, against a good UTG a fold is probably expert. The only consideration is a weakish player in the BB, but that might not turn it. Are you in general raising to buy the button a lot? Or are the hands you are raising from the cut-off pretty similiar to the hands you are raising from the button?

Clarkmeister · #7 01-30-2005, 05:28 PM

I just overlimp quite a bit. It enhances the stealing prospects and gives me true isolation raises some more merit. But those are more live game considerations than online I'd guess. The SB's tightness is maybe more of a factor to me than the button when deciding whether to raise or not.

J_V · #8 01-31-2005, 03:44 AM

You do this more than any other very good player I know. I don't do it nearly as much as you, but I like overlimping like Clark. The action in limped pots is less scripted and can be manipulated a little more - particularly with postion.

bobbyi · #9 01-31-2005, 07:09 PM

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Are you in general raising to buy the button a lot? Or are the hands you are raising from the cut-off pretty similiar to the hands you are raising from the button?

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I raise to buy the button pretty fequently, but one thing I want to work on is getting better at getting physical reads on the player(s) to my left so that I can tell when they are probably folding anyway. I want to work on physical stuff in general because it's one of the poker areas where I am weakest (since I have for years totally disregarded it as being less important than tactical and strategic ideas; that was probably the right thing to do, but I'm reaching the point where I need to focus on it a bit more), and one of the easiest times to get reads is on people who are folding preflop since they often don't try hard enough to conceal their lack of interest since they think it doesn't matter since they are folding no matter what anyway.

Mason Malmuth · #10 01-31-2005, 04:43 AM

Hi Clark:

Since your hand is suited and if there were loose players still to act (the button and the blinds) I'm not so sure I would fold even against an expert. On the other hand, something like queen-ten offsuit should definitely hit the muck if a reasonably good player limped in.

Best wishes,
Mason