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All players are more or less loose-passive.
I felt I should have probably taken some other approach on this hand. The high paired board and loads of cold-callers make it more or less obvious that I'm behind. The bet on the flop does almost nothing to protect my hand and the turn bet feels just like asking to get raised after having the whole table smooth-calling the flop bet. Any suggestions on what line to take here? Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls. Flop: (14 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+2 folds. Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls. River: (17.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls. Final Pot: 19.50 BB |
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Very similar to my hand:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1 At least I'm not the only one who can't let got of AA [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Yes, it's quite similar but still a bit different. I think a KK board makes it more likely for at least one of the coldcallers to have made trips than on a 77 board.
I actually expect people to call the flop and then raise the turn and still I bet out on both rounds... That can't be good. And Yes, it is difficult to let go of the aces every now and then. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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No real reads? Just a general loose-passive statement? You played this fine. Folding a winner here is disastrous, you're looking at 2:17.5 effective odds for calling down here; you'll be good right around that often.
Calling down is fine IMO. If you had a solid read that this guy wouldn't raise 88, 77, A3, A9, or JsTs (and I get raised in situations like this all the time with hands that don't necessarily make sense), then you could safely fold. But without a read, your line is the standard line, and is fine. Rob |
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Nobody with a good line for this kind of situation?
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how about check-calling the flop.
Raising the turn & folding to a 3-bet...? |
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This is a bad idea, IMO. Especially in a passive game, which is how he described it. When you preflop raise, what's everyone's first assumption about your hand? AK. So if you check-call the flop and check-raise the turn, someone with a K might not 3 bet, fearing you have them out-kicked with AK or KQ. So you 3-bet, and just get called.. now what?
I think your line was fine until calling the turn raise. An important concept to consider in this situation is that the pot is protected, meaning: since there are many players seeing the flop, each individual is less likely to try and make a move on the pot, since it becomes increasingly more likely that someone has the King with each extra person in the hand. Now that many players are seeing the turn, you can be pretty sure that a raise is the real deal. Anyone making a bluff-raise in that situation is making a sucker play. |
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[ QUOTE ]
This is a bad idea, IMO. Especially in a passive game, which is how he described it. When you preflop raise, what's everyone's first assumption about your hand? AK. So if you check-call the flop and check-raise the turn, someone with a K might not 3 bet, fearing you have them out-kicked with AK or KQ. So you 3-bet, and just get called.. now what? I think your line was fine until calling the turn raise. An important concept to consider in this situation is that the pot is protected, meaning: since there are many players seeing the flop, each individual is less likely to try and make a move on the pot, since it becomes increasingly more likely that someone has the King with each extra person in the hand. Now that many players are seeing the turn, you can be pretty sure that a raise is the real deal. Anyone making a bluff-raise in that situation is making a sucker play. [/ QUOTE ] It happens quite often that bad players don't seem to know the difference between a sucker play and a good play. When you happen to fold to their sucker play, additionally, their sucker play becomes a good play. Poker is funny that way. The EV of calling down is rarely going to be a full -2BB, as you will spike outs occasionally and your hand will still be good at least ~10% of the time against a standard semi-loose-passive PP 2/4 player. Given the problems associated with folding winners in big pots, calling down is better than folding without a good read. Rob |
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Reminds me of a hand I played recently only the flop with with a pair of 4's and someone had cold-called 3 bets (it was capped and he was in the big blind) with 74o. Argh... but I also should've been more aware of the paired board and the incessant raising.
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Call down the turn raise. You still have two outs in what ended up as a 19.5 bb pot, plus the possibility that you're still ahead.
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