Push?

[lapoker17]

We often talk about hands that are similar to this one, and the play is pretty easy in heads up situations. This time, however, the pot was multiway and I didn't quite know what to do.

10/20 - Table is playing really small - No one with more than 2k.

3 limpers to me in CO w J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I ($1400) limp, blinds come along.

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB ($1300) is a total rock and leads for $120.

Folded to the player on my right ($1200), who is kind of wild, but not too horrible, just kind of horrible. He makes it $400 and I?...

[imperious]

The wild one next to you could easily have a bigger draw, I'm sure you know this. Your straight draw is not that good, your flush draw is not that good and neither is your pair.

Your question was "push?"

Hell no, you're too good a player to be getting involved in this hand. Wait for a better spot.
It's only a maybe if you had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K/J/T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[lapoker17]

If I had AK, AJ, or AT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], then I'm pretty sure I'm pushing - Not sure why you think those are just "maybes".

[imperious]

It's only a small maybe because I don't have enough info on the game/players/reads but I agree it's a much easier push.
I think most players would.

I'm interested as to why you are considering pushing with this hand? Seems like an easy fold.

[thatpfunk]

How did rock respond to the raise? Could you pick up anything from him?

If you think that pushing will fold the rock more often than not, I don't think its a bad consideration.
Reads would help a lot, e.g. what range of hands would horrible player raise rock with, does horrible player know that original bettor is a rock, would he raise with a draw, etc?

I think you could wait for a better spot, but pushing has some benefits (metagame as well).

[lapoker17]

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How did rock respond to the raise?

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Great question, and this is kind of what I was getting at. So, for Rock to bet out here, he assuredly has a Queen AQ, KQ, QJ most likely, or he has something bigger. For the guy next to me to raise, he could have the same range of Queens (believe it or not), he could have a set, 2 pair, or a draw - and there are tons of possible draws - plenty of which I still look OK against. So, one of the deciding factors to me was what it looked like the rock was going to do.

[arkose]

this was pretty much what I was thinking...i think you can push if you decide that Rock will probably fold most of his hands (everything excluding a set?)...does he normally bet out the pot in EP with a set in this situation?

one person suggested just calling but I think this is clearly a push/fold situation...if you had more money, maybe a call could be correct....any less money and it becomes an easier push.....

your read of the Rock is the most important piece of info

[zepmetal]

People seem to be very concerned about you being in the devastating situation of running up agaisnt a set or higher flush draw. if you had a flush draw with a staight draw (inside or outside straight), then running up agaisnt a higher flush is really a killer. But if you're up agaisnt a hiogher flush draw here, youre a favorite. YOU'VE GOT A PAIR ALREADY. The point is, if someone else hasa lfush draw, they dont have a pair (you have the T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]). If you are agaisnt a set (or two pair) then youve got outs. I don't know how the math works out, but with 400 + 120 + 120 = 640 in the pot, you've gotta be close to getting odds to hit your flush (and not have them fill up) getting allin here. That said, I'm not sure a push is correct. It comes down to MP. I think theres a very good chance youll fold out SB, even if hes got two pair or maybe even bottom set (if hes that tight). If you think MP might fold, push.

[zepmetal]

well, i suppose even the tightest player wouldnt fold 77 here, but folding 2 pair is very possible.

So, since SB didnt pusht the flop and since MP had the Ah (meaning he hasd a best one pair on the flop), you probably should have pushed. oh well.

BTW, can some one do the math. Is hero a favorite agaisnt AKh? certainly its worht the push with all the money in the pot.

[Ulysses]

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People seem to be very concerned about you being in the devastating situation of running up agaisnt a set or higher flush draw.

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The devastating situation is running up against a set and a higher flush draw.

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But if you're up agaisnt a hiogher flush draw here, youre a favorite. YOU'VE GOT A PAIR ALREADY.

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Keep studying, champ.

Jh Th 446 45.05 544 54.95 0 0.00 0.451
Ah Kh 544 54.95 446 45.05 0 0.00 0.549