On a downswing

Kluddeludde · #1 01-22-2005, 10:12 PM

I usually take my downswings with ease, because I know that they will eventually turn around, but this month I've really hit the rock bottom and I am starting to doubt my ability to beat this game. Over the last 25k hands I've played I'm down about 70 BB and it doesn't seem to turn around. Therefore I decided to post a couple of randomly selected hands from my PT database for a couple of days and have you review them. Hopefully most of them are standard. If anyone think it will help if I post some stats as well, I will. Anyway, here are the first hands.

Hand 1:

UTG in this hand is 21.7/2.46/0.46. BB is unknown.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

Hand 2:

Both opponents are unknown.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (2.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (4.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB

Hand 3:

UTG in this hand is 20.7/10.9/1.76.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $5.
UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.70 BB

I appreciate any and all help I can get. Thanks!

Kludde

jonahmavesin · #2 01-22-2005, 10:20 PM

Hand 1 - I'd take the free card on 4th street here. You're drawing worse than the caller probably is, not all of your A or Q outs may be good. I'd check that through and save a bet.

Hand 2 - I'm assuming you lost since you posted, but I don't see to what. He'd raise a flush on the end, right? Was it Jx or something?

Hand 3 - Again, don't see what you lost to. Chopped with an Ace? I'd again assume a flush would raise. My only advice here is you may be better off raising the flop and trying for the free card than raising the turn on the semi-bluff. But I guess it depends on your reads.

Kluddeludde · #3 01-23-2005, 09:17 AM

Hand 1 - I'd take the free card on 4th street here. You're drawing worse than the caller probably is, not all of your A or Q outs may be good. I'd check that through and save a bet.

I think that when I played this hand I figured there was to big a chance my hand was still best, since he may very well call the flop with two overcards and obviously a flush draw. That's the reason I bet.

I'm assuming you lost since you posted, but I don't see to what.

This is just random (well, almost) hands from my database, both hands I lost and hands I won. Just because I win a hand, doesn't necessarily mean I played it well.

My only advice here is you may be better off raising the flop and trying for the free card than raising the turn on the semi-bluff.

Now that I think about it, I really don't see what kind of better hands UTG+1 will fold if I raise on the turn here. However, the reason I didn't raise the flop was that I figured he was aggressive enough to bet into me again on the turn with something like a middle pair.

Thanks for responding!

Kludde

wuarhg · #4 01-22-2005, 10:23 PM

They all look pretty good to me. I think I've seen you around at 5/10, does your nickname at Party resemble your 2+2 name at all? I'm having a similiar period myself, gone 8,000 hands break-even, nothing as much as you though. It will turn around, that's a +EV bet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kluddeludde · #5 01-23-2005, 09:21 AM

I think I've seen you around at 5/10, does your nickname at Party resemble your 2+2 name at all?

Yup, my nickname is McLudde, so you've probably seen me. I hope you have a read on me as TAG. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

It will turn around, that's a +EV bet.

I hope so. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Kludde

Evan · #6 01-23-2005, 09:23 AM

I had a 160 bb downswing last Thursday, don't feel bad.

Kluddeludde · #7 01-23-2005, 09:38 AM

Not feeling bad, just doubting my ability to beat the game. 160 BB is horrible by the way. I hope you were playing 6-max.

Kludde

Rico Suave · #8 01-23-2005, 12:19 PM

Kluddeludde:

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Not feeling bad, just doubting my ability to beat the game.

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I know how you feel. I went through about 19k hands at the party 5/10 breaking even. I have had bad stretches before...200BB downswings, etc....but never over this extended length. It gets to the point where you feel you just suck and you doubt you will ever see 2 consecutive winning sessions.

If you hang in there, I am sure it will come around.......I have had a nice little run over that last 2500 hands that has eased the pain a bit.

--Rico

wuarhg · #9 01-23-2005, 12:51 PM

From what I have seen, you're a solid player. This is a hand that I played against you and it was nicely played. I've gone through a 180bb downswing at 3/6 which was pretty frustrating but then again, who knows if I am that solid? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG (KluddeLudde) calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG (KluddeLudde) 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

captZEEbo1 · #10 01-23-2005, 01:12 PM

results?

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From what I have seen, you're a solid player. This is a hand that I played against you and it was nicely played. I've gone through a 180bb downswing at 3/6 which was pretty frustrating but then again, who knows if I am that solid? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG (KluddeLudde) calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG (KluddeLudde) 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
KluddeLudde bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

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