Where did I go wrong?

esspo · #1 01-20-2005, 10:41 PM

Bay 101 80-160

SB is thinking aggressive player. I haven't played with him enough to know if he is too aggressive for his own good.

Folded to horrible player in hijack who open limps, CO folds, I raise the button with AKo, SB 3-bets, BB folds, horrible player calls two cold, I cap and both call.

Flop: QJxr. Checked to me and I bet, SB calls, horrible player folds.

Turn: x. Check-bet-call.

River: x. SB checks, as I check I say "you got me AK".

Comments appreciated.

Gabe · #2 01-20-2005, 10:50 PM

I'm trying to figure out why you posted this.

esspo · #3 01-20-2005, 10:52 PM

The information war.

Gabe · #4 01-20-2005, 11:00 PM

Well yeah, why say anything? You know that already, right? So why post?

esspo · #5 01-20-2005, 11:45 PM

Its a topic that is so rarely discussed on the forum I hoped to spark some discussion. Any discussion.

PassiveCaller · #6 01-21-2005, 04:52 AM

Beyond the fact that the battle of information is important and there's no need to give unnecessary info like this. What about the battle of information did you want to discuss? Did this particular situation play an interesting role later you may want to share or anything like that.... Other then that I'm not sure where you want to go with this.

The Bear · #7 01-21-2005, 02:44 AM

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The information war.

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I just read the responses after I posted initially, so I'll reiterate the fact that saying anything here is really dumb. The best way to own an opponent is to know everything about him while he knows nothing about you. Very important. Tommy understands.

esspo · #8 01-21-2005, 12:18 PM

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I just read the responses after I posted initially, so I'll reiterate the fact that saying anything here is really dumb... Tommy understands.

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Yes it was really dumb. Yes Tommy does understand.

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The best way to own an opponent is to know everything about him while he knows nothing about you. Very important.

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This was the reason I posted this hand. As much for selfish reasons as for the posters on the forum I wanted someone to state that sentence. It is everything to understand why doing anything in this spot other than waiting silently for your opponent to turn over his hand is such a huge mistake. During that session I think I played as close to error free as I am capable from pre-flop to river, but I made a few non-betting errors like this one that could turn out to be very costly over the long run.

bobbyi · #9 01-20-2005, 10:52 PM

This is the line I usually follow, so if it is somehow wrong, I also would be very interested to know.

bobbyi · #10 01-21-2005, 03:21 PM

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This is the line I usually follow, so if it is somehow wrong, I also would be very interested to know.

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Oh. From reading the other posts, I see that the point wasn't the line but the disclosure of your hand before your opponent had shown. Everywhere I'm used to playing has last aggressor show first, so I didn't see anything notable here. If this place wasn't last aggressor (which you probably should have mentioned if that was the point of the post), then yes, saying what you had is clearly bad.