here is a hand I still have not figured out.

barrem23 · #1 01-10-2005, 01:06 PM

This is a hand I had in a 10 person SNG. The blinds were at 15 and 30. We were still 10 people and no one had really taken any big pots.

I was the button and was delt AA. I raised to straight 100. Everyone folded except someone in mid-position, he just called. My read on him was that he was conservative. I would say that he was probably a TPP. I hadn't seen him bet at anything yet. He had called a few blinds and folded to the first bet. So the flop comes 6-5-5 rainbow. He is to act first and pushes all in. I was caught totaly off-gurard . I thought about it for a while and folded. I thought maybe he had 66, and this early in the tournament I decided to fold rather than be crippled if he had 66 or 55 or just a 5.

What do people think of this decision?

11t · #2 01-10-2005, 01:18 PM

I am typically a lurker but I simply must respond to your post. If I made this fold it would haunt me for the rest of my poker life.

Think about it, if he flopped the boat or quads do you really think he would push all in instantly? I do not think most players would make such a play.

Now think about the types of hands you think he would call your raise with and make this play, you have them all beat. I would put him on TT thru 88 and that he was simply attempting to protect what he felt was the best hand. I think it is almost impossible that he has a 5 in his hand as well, if he was a rock like you said how could he call your raise with a 5? If you had a read on him you made a terrible play.

While you did indeed avoid being crippled I think you did so at the expense of folding the winning hand.

barrem23 · #3 01-10-2005, 01:22 PM

I agree with you that he definatly did not have a 5, but a lot of players will call with a PP. Good point he may be been just trying to protect his hand. As I said I was caught totaly off-guard and never thought of that.

El Maximo · #4 01-10-2005, 01:24 PM

I agree. That is a strange push for that flop. He either has a monster or is trying hard to push you off this hand. I would grit my teeth and call expecting to be ahead most of the time.

Mons · #5 01-10-2005, 01:19 PM

This is a fine fold unless you have a better read. Smells like 66/55 but he may just be trying to make a play on you with a flop he knows you missed. However I don't think it's worth investing your stack to find out.

EDIT: I'm very weak/tight so 11t's advice is much better! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

ricochet420 · #6 01-10-2005, 01:23 PM

Easy call with that read. Do you really think he'd call your raise with Ax or the like to flop trips? If so then easy fold. Other wise.....take his money.

adanthar · #7 01-10-2005, 01:40 PM

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Do you really think he'd call your raise with Ax or the like to flop trips? If so then easy fold.

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No it isn't. It's ALWAYS an easy call, because even a fish that will coldcall A5 will also coldcall 87/TT-88/A6 and play them all exactly the same way.

You shouldn't even be thinking here.

etgryphon · #8 01-10-2005, 01:26 PM

I think this is where you have to give credit to the guy for a great play...

This is one of those hands that it is tough to call with an overpair. The only time that I think that I would call would be later in when the blinds are bigger. But, if your read on this guy is correct then its a fold if you believe him to play good hands.

On the other hand...

If he did have 66, 55, or a lone 5 why wouldn't he extract the most from the preflop raiser (you) because you know that you would have bet out on the flop.

So this really comes down to whether you think that you missed your one chance or whether you play well enough to be able to fold AA on the button. If you're only shot at winning is playing AA then there need to be some improvement to you game.

You should have raised more preflop if there were limpers. Like (2x#ofLimpers + 3xBB) or so that puts the guy on a possible stronger holding.

Also, Does he have you covered or do you have him covered?

If it makes you feel better...I would have folded also...But I'm about 50% sure that he didn't have anything, but I'd be ok with that because the pot is too small.

-Gryph

barrem23 · #9 01-10-2005, 01:35 PM

I had him covered in chips, but only by ~100.

Also later in the tournament he held to his TTP style as I had stolen his blind more than once with some aggressive bets, eventually he was blinded out of the tournament.

As for me I went out on a hand I am still kicking myself for. Up against another conservative player with AKs in late position. Blinds are at 100-200, and I make it 500. The SB is the only caller. Flop comes A-Q-5, with 2 hearts. He checks to me and I bet 1000. He quickly calls. Turn is another A, and not a heart. This time he bets 500 and I raise to 1000. He re-raises me all-in. At this point I definatly put him on and A and decide to call. I was pretty much pot commited at this point. The river is nothing, not that it mattered, as he flipped over his AQx. I think I should have seen this coming as he was pretty conservative and probably would not be beting with Ax.

adanthar · #10 01-10-2005, 01:42 PM

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As for me I went out on a hand I am still kicking myself for. Up against another conservative player with AKs in late position. Blinds are at 100-200, and I make it 500. The SB is the only caller. Flop comes A-Q-5, with 2 hearts. He checks to me and I bet 1000. He quickly calls. Turn is another A, and not a heart. This time he bets 500 and I raise to 1000. He re-raises me all-in. At this point I definatly put him on and A and decide to call. I was pretty much pot commited at this point. The river is nothing, not that it mattered, as he flipped over his AQx. I think I should have seen this coming as he was pretty conservative and probably would not be beting with Ax.

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Quit poker. At the very least, reread some books before playing again.

You are either far too results oriented or far too weak tight. Folding this would be worse than the AA fold.