Stangest overpair I've ever played.

[Joe Tall]

30/60 online, Real juicy game, playing loose-passive for the most part.

Two any-ace, any-suited, I really dont' know what they fold when they do - types, limp in EP and I raise w/9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in MP. Two predictable, medicore types cold call in LP, both blinds call (No reads on the SB. BB, a tricky one, was sure to call in a family pot).

7 to the flop for 7BBs.

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Check to me and I check as I'm hoping it's checked through and a nice one comes off.

Crazy? Too many Tommy posts? Comments?

Thanks for you replies,
Joe Tall

[James282]

Inexcusable IMO.
-James

[Entity]

Joe,

I don't get it. Isn't this the classic case of offering limited odds > offering infinite odds? I can see not raising here if someone bet into you, but not betting when people check?

If people call, you're getting oodles of value. A lot of the "outs" that they're going to be calling with have got to be shared.

But from what I see, this is one of those "if you can't protect, bet for value" moments, and with that many people in the pot, an overpair definitely is getting return on investment.

Rob

[Evan]

I just don't get it, that may be because its way above my head or because its awful. I think its really bad but I'd like to hear the reasoning. I think you're giving up way too much value by not betting here.

What are you doing if a bad one comes off?

[Joe Tall]

What are you doing if a bad one comes off?

That depends on what that action is, does it not? The thing is, I really didn't think I'd take so many to the flop. I thought that since I didn't play a hand for the last hour, the rest would give way and let me isolate the first two. But that didn't happen and I took an extra 4.

No one is going anywhere on this flop but I can get them to go if I can get them to turn on a blank bet/raise w/the smaller pot. With the trickier player in the BB, he'll bet any turn most of the time, I can leverage there. If checked to an LP w/A8, I can c/r later when safe. This is what was running through at the time of the check.

[James282]

Or you could bet and let someone find a raise and clear the field for you right here and now. There are too many opponents to even know which cards are "good ones" and which cards are bad.
-James

[Joe Tall]

Or you could bet and let someone find a raise and clear the field for you right here and now

Even for a 30 game, it was playing too passive. I know the last two won't raise but will call w/overs. They may bet an A8 if checked to.

There are too many opponents to even know which cards are "good ones" and which cards are bad.

That's somewhat my point. I'm taking most to the turn and I stand no where once the pot gets that big. Well, this is why I posted it. Fry me at will. Thanks for your response, James. Your 'inexcusable' left a bad taste in my mouth. Could be good for me.

[James282]

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Or you could bet and let someone find a raise and clear the field for you right here and now

Even for a 30 game, it was playing too passive. I know the last two won't raise but will call w/overs. They may bet an A8 if checked to.

There are too many opponents to even know which cards are "good ones" and which cards are bad.

That's somewhat my point. I'm taking most to the turn and I stand no where once the pot gets that big. Well, this is why I posted it. Fry me at will. Thanks for your response, James. Your 'inexcusable' left a bad taste in my mouth. Could be good for me.

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I hope I didn't seem like a dick. I guess I just couldn't figure out any reasons not to bet. I mean, even if your equity isn't enormous at this point, you have to figure to have the best hand, and you will increase your equity far more by betting and clearing even 1 or two out(or making everyone pay 1 more while you are ahead) than checking and hoping for what may or may not be a "good card" on the turn.
-James

[bobbyi]

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Even for a 30 game, it was playing too passive. I know the last two won't raise but will call w/overs. They may bet an A8 if checked to.

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Is the implication that they wouldn't raise A8 on the flop if you bet? Are you sure that you know the opponents that well? Just because you have seen them play passively so far doesn't mean that one of them won't decide to raise 77 or two overcards with a flush draw or whatever this time. And A8 seems very likely to raise. You have to be really, really sure that there is no chance that one of them will raise for you with a worse hand for checking here to not be terrible, and even then it's probably wrong. Maybe one of them is in a bad mood right now and decides to make a raise he wouldn't usually make or maybe he thinks for some reason that he has a feeling that you just have overcards. Unless you have played with these opponents many times and are absolutely certain they will never raise, you are wrong to keep saying that you don't have any chance of clearing out the field by betting. And even if it doesn't get raised, someone may fold a single overcard or a small pocket pair at least some of the time, which you like given that there are already fifteen bets in the pot once you call (plus the bets from the other callers).

[uvickid]

you missed a bet, regardless of the morons at the table, you have the best hand...the two blinds (of which you can't get reads on) have checked to you, which tells me they have none of the flop...the crazy people from early position probably bet if they have any of that....and if the two callers in late position are as predictable as you say, they aren't going to be playing little cards like that, unless it's a baby pair of which they'd raise your bet on the flop...then you'd know where you were at...poorly played