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How many of you fold this pre-flop?
UTG+1 I only had 14 hands on. He had not raised prior to this preflop and played 29% of his hands. But it was only 14 hands, so totally insignifcant really.
6 people to act behind me. Averagely loose table compared to the normal $1/$2 tables I find, although the weighted average still shows only 21% seeing the flop. Unweighted it definitely would show a lot looser. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero ??? |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
Three bet it or fold. It seems unlikely you're going to get lots of calls after you if you cold call it, and three betting it probbaly gets you heads up with position. Raise the autobet on the flop if it's favorable and fold to a re-raise.
Folding it really isn't bad, but I'd be more likely to three bet it. Cold calling is probably the worst option unless you're reasonably sure you're going to get lots of callers behind you. |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
Hero 3-bets.
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
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Hero 3-bets. [/ QUOTE ] You know 3-betting it is gonna probably make everyone else fold. An early raise like that, I'm not expecting to see QJs or something halfass, its more like AK AQ, maybe KQs, or some pocket pair higher than 99. You NEED to hit your 9, or be an overpair on the flop to feel good about this. He has at least 2 overcards for sure. No way he has pocket 8's or a lower pair. You're probably looking at a coinflip at best, drawing to a 2-outer at the worst. Due to the range of hands you're likely to be up against, I'm inclined to fold this. I can't see 99 as a favorite to win this hand. Too weak? |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
Hrm, you've definetely made me reconsider. Now I'm not sure what I'd do. Would you fold JJ here? Being up against AK or AQ, you still are about a coinflip, but folding JJ preflop sounds wrong in itself. Also, 14 hands isn't much of a sample size to go on. Thinking more about it, I might cold call instead.
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
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Hrm, you've definetely made me reconsider. Now I'm not sure what I'd do. Would you fold JJ here? Being up against AK or AQ, you still are about a coinflip, but folding JJ preflop sounds wrong in itself. Also, 14 hands isn't much of a sample size to go on. Thinking more about it, I might cold call instead. [/ QUOTE ] JJ.. 99 sounds like a fold, JJ, now THATS a tough one. You certainly beat some of the hands UTG+1 might raise. AJ, TT, an aggro 99 might raise there. I'd 3bet for sure because you have a fighting chance, and you have position.. You can see cards cheap, ie, but a free river if you want, you get out if it gets too hot, raise if you hit, position is power baaby! Ya know, a coldcall occured to me to. I know everyone aruond here HATES coldcalling PF, but there IS a place for it, I'm just not sure where. My thought: In this particular hand, if you coldcalled, you'd probably get 1 or 2 more players in the hand. The BB would only have to call 1, he'd be getting at least 5:1. With 3 players in, your equity probably goes up. You're probably beating the later coldcaller, and his call increases your pot odds and implied odds. What makes a good coldcall preflop? |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
Actually, thinking further about this hand, I think I do prefer a 3-bet.
[ QUOTE ] With 3 players in, your equity probably goes up. [/ QUOTE ] I would think the opposite would be true. If you're up against a lone AK, 6 cards can come to beat you on the flop. If you're up against AK and QJ, 12 overcards can come to beat you on the flop. I prefer to 3-bet and try to isolate the raiser. First of all, 14 hands, none of which (I'm assuming) he showed down, doesn't mean anything. You probably are around 50/50 to have the best hand by the river, but you will have position on him for the entire hand, which is huge. That, coupled with the dead money from the blinds makes me like a 3-bet best. |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
MP1 is a bad spot for this hand.
on a loose table, i fold. on a tighter table, i may try to 3-bet to isolate him, hoping for something i'm slightly ahead of, e.g. JQs and he flops nothing. BUT, in MP1, with 4 more ppl to come + SB & BB? i think more often than not i fold. |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
OK ... help me out here.
3-bet or fold? I'm fully aware of positional concepts, etc., but isn't this weak-tight to fold? And against a player who hasn't played many hands (admittedly, we only have a small sample here), aren't you probably dominated? Wouldn't you want to encourage more players to come along here in the event you spike your 9? I would cold call the raise and either: 1. Fold to a bet if overcards hit. 2. Raise the PF raiser if I have an overpair to the board. If I'm 3-bet on the flop, I'll call the raise and fold the turn unimproved. That's 5 SBs my way vs. 4 SBs by 3-betting the flop, having it capped and folding the flop unimproved, but I'll make that SB back and then some by merely cold-calling the raise, having others do so as well and spiking my 9 on the flop. Again, I'm lost as to 3-betting or folding. Someone please help me out. |
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Re: How many of you fold this pre-flop?
Even against a moderately loose EP raise, you could be in bad shape here. If you can get it HU by 3-betting, I go for that. Otherwise, you can find a better time to play this hand.
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