Folding KK to the shortstack

[jeffraider]

Last night I was playing a super satellite on Party. We were down to the final table, top 7 get seats, 8 left. The short stack is sitting to my right. I'm the big chip leader, I've got around 42K, short stack is at 2K in this hand, blinds are 400/800. I started the final table with about 28K or so, and I've been raising with any two cards every second hand 3XBB, and I've gotten the blinds every time except for twice, once I folded to the second-biggest stack's all-in raise, and once I called with 95o when the shortest stack (at that time) raised me .5BB more, and I knocked him out. The table knows what I'm doing, but no one is doing anything about it except for moving over the top only when they get exceptional hands. No one wants to go out in 8th.

Before I explain the hand in question, I'll just explain something. I know that there's no reason to be increasing my chip lead in this situation, as I could just fold every hand and still win the seat, but I decided that since this was only my third serious MTT, I wanted some practice in increasing my stack on the bubble, so please keep in mind that my thinking behind this hand was playing to increase my chip stack and eventually win first place, rather than just wait for the top 7.

I'm in the big blind with 42K. The small blind is the short stack, he has 1600 after paying his 400. Everyone folds around to the SB, who pushes in his remaining 1600. I've got two black kings. After spending a few seconds thinking about it, I fold.

What do you guys think? Decent move in a non-satellite tournament, or just being too wicked, tricksy and false?

[mojorisin24]

Is this a serious post?

[Rick Diesel]

Extremely stupid.

[jeffraider]

Why is it stupid?

[Dan Rutter]

I understand your move in a tournament paying only money, and your opponents playing extremely tight just to sneak in to higher payouts. But if everyone is getting the same prize from 7th up, your only goal should be getting 7th place. You can enter other multitables, or even SNGs to work on playing near the bubble. You still have command over the table, but you never know what may happen in future hands, play to meet the goal of coming in 7th or better when given the chance.

[nightlyraver]

You will need to explain your reasoning behind this as I have no idea why you would do a thing like this. Were you actually fearfull of AA? Were you just letting the SS stick around for a few more orbits? If you are trying to get in some good practice, this was not a good move in any sort of bubble play.

[jeffraider]

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You will need to explain your reasoning behind this as I have no idea why you would do a thing like this. Were you actually fearfull of AA? Were you just letting the SS stick around for a few more orbits? If you are trying to get in some good practice, this was not a good move in any sort of bubble play.

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Okay.

I'm not fearful of anything except for this guy going out. Once he gets broke, my extremely profitable blind-stealing will be reduced or completely ended because people will begin to gamble more. By folding here I give up 2800 chips that I would have had won with my KK, but gain at least 4800 in blind steals in the first orbit alone, and probably a couple more orbits worth thanks to the short stack getting a little bit more life. As it turned out, I ended up stealing nearly 10000 more in blinds before the shortstack got broke.

[DVC Calif]

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I was playing a super satellite on Party. We were down to the final table, top 7 get seats, 8 left.

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Okay

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I'm not fearful of anything except for this guy going out. Once he gets broke, my extremely profitable blind-stealing will be reduced or completely ended because people will begin to gamble more.

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This doesn't make any sense. If the SB is the short stack and could be going all-in with any two, you would be doing everyone at the table by eliminating him. You have a very strong hand that will probably stand up to any PP and even Ax.

Once he busts, you are all playing just for fun anyway. There is no different payout for top place versus seventh, maybe only TLB points. You all have won one seat in the next tourney.

Party allows you to continue playing but it is just like play money then. Lots of all-ins. If this was Stars, the tourney would end as soon as No. 8 busts and everyone who won their seat would be listed as First Place finishers.

Am I missing something?

Steve

Edit: Okay, just re-read your OP and understand that you were practicing as if regular tourney. I still think that you should call his all-in as you probably still have a dominating hand. In fact, calling with any two as suggested is probably a good idea just to show other players you can not be intimidated.

If you want to keep your table image to steal blinds, then this is a win-win situation.

If the cowboys hold up, you win the pot and bust out the short stack. The others see that you could be on a rush of cards and continue to backdown.

If you had any two, called, and sucked out on the hand, it shows that you are willing to defend your blind and it may cost them all their chips to do it.

Steve

[david050173]

The problem is that this is bad practice. The gap is much greater in satellite than in a normal tournament. The 3rd and 4th place stacks are probably pretty comfortable folding into one of the seats so they should be folding hands like AA,KK,QQ,AKs which in a normal bubble situtation they will play back at you. In a satellite, there is no point to play with the big stack if you are confidant that you will get a seat by just sitting back.

[shant]

I don't even play multi-table tournaments regularly but enjoy reading the posts in this forum and am clueless as to why this would be a "tricksy" play.