The Butcher

[Alexthegreat]

Live 10/20....playing like it's a 1/2....great game

I get AsKh in the BB.....MP 1 open raises, Co 3-bets, button calls cold, SB calls...I call, and MP 1 caps.....5 players to the flop...The only player who seems to know what's going on is MP1....

Flop is

Ks Th 3c

Checked to MP1 who bets, all called and I decide that I'm going to checkraise a safe turn....

Turn is 2d....

Sweet.....Everyone checks.....Not sweet

the river is a J of clubs, and now I decide I don't know what to do, so I'll just check call....except no one bets and I win.....

So, I think I misplayed this hand on every street, and I'd like for you to tell me what I should do differently next time....thanks

[Blake Lovely]

lead into the PFR on the flop and hope he raises it and clears out the field.
Its a big pot, be aggressive, be be aggressive. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[garyc8]

Do NOT CR flop. The pot is big enuff, you want to win it ASAP. Checkraise wont knock out anyone. Don't outsmart yourself. Lead out the whole way.

[Wally]

PF:Cap
Flop:Checkraise
Turn/River:Bet out as long as board stays reasonably safe. What do others think of this as this is the reasoning that would first come to me if I was playing.

[goofball]

cap preflop. definetly c/r thsi flop. the board is fairly innocuous and you can trap all the limpers for 2sb on the flop. bet the turn and river.

[Alexthegreat]

I didn't cap because of a glance at MP1, who was holding the cap bet in his hand....so I thought I'd keep my hand value hidden.....

I thought about C/R the flop, but I figured the turn C/R would be the best place to get value out of this hand...

If the turn checkraise was successful, would you still be recommending a flop C/R??

I don't usually checkraise the flop against preflop raisers when AK flops top pair, but maybe I should be....reasons??

[Blake Lovely]

I dont like trapping people in the pot here.
the pot has 20 sb already,
people have odds to draw at just about anything, you want them to fold not be trapped to hit 2 pair on you in a monster pot.

you hope somebody makes the mistake of laying down middle pair.

[Grisgra]

I liked the turn checkraise attempt myself. I probably would have bet the river though.

[stanky]

When ever it's capped preflop like this, I just play it straight forward..bet and hope mp1 raises so you can reraise, the pots big enough already so its important to try and get people to fold hands that have five outs like A3 and the best way to do this is bet into the capper.

If you play it like you did I think you have to check raise after the MP1 bets on the flop and everyone calls, you had the chance to get at least 4 more SB and MP1 may be scared to bet on the turn when everyone calls.

I see alot of hands like this that are capped preflop multi handed get capped on the flop, you just need to jump start things.

-Pete

[MicroBob]

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I didn't cap because of a glance at MP1, who was holding the cap bet in his hand....so I thought I'd keep my hand value hidden.....

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I think you really out-thought and over-read the situation here.
If it's playing so crazy then keeping your hand value hidden might not be noticed anyway.

I'm not much of a B&M player....but I think reads like the one in this situation can be over-rated and just lead to fancy-play syndrome.
Some reads are good (knowing which guy to isolate a raise with your AQo or something like that...and which guys to stay away from)...but here I think failing to cap PF with AK and then getting too fancy after the flop proved very costly.


Big pot....get super-duper aggro until someone else shows they actually like the flop also.


Someone mentioned trapping players in with their 2-5 outers.
The pot is big enough now where I would prefer everyone fold....but if they are drawing thin that's fine too.

But I'm still going to bet out....let them chase me.