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11-28-2004, 11:45 AM
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Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
CO is very loose and not particularly aggressive preflop but loves to bluff and bluff-raise once the flop comes. I don't have a very good read on BB, unfortunately.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, CO calls. Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls. Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. River: (10.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Final Pot: 22.75 BB What do you think? 
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#2
11-28-2004, 12:16 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
I think it looks horrible. Why are you not raising that flop? Why are you not raising the turn? And Jesus, why do you start raising when the flush/straight-card hits and not before??
Secondly, why are you trying to isolate with a pair of fives? I think you misplayed basically every street here.
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#4
11-28-2004, 01:42 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
Would he call with nothing as well? For example, would he call the river with nothing if you 3-bet?
Kludde
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#5
11-28-2004, 03:09 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
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Would he call with nothing as well? For example, would he call the river with nothing if you 3-bet? Kludde [/ QUOTE ] No, with nothing, I think CO would cap or fold instead. I thought BB might call with a worse hand, though.
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#6
11-28-2004, 01:52 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
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Edit: I may have misplayed this hand horribly. But I think it's important to understand that CO's bets and raises meant nothing. [/ QUOTE ] And also to understand that BB's calls meant something. You're holding bottom set here on a flush/straight board. That's not a hand that I'd 3-bet the river with, especially not with another player calmly calling everything that I and the maniac threw at him. This is a hand that should have been raised & reraised from the flop, but you have to slow down when that 3rd spade shows up on the river--the only hand that BB should have played that way would be a low flush draw, which means that even if you have CO pegged on the bluff/semi-bluff, you're still holding the 2nd best hand.
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#7
11-28-2004, 02:52 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
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[ QUOTE ] Edit: I may have misplayed this hand horribly. But I think it's important to understand that CO's bets and raises meant nothing. [/ QUOTE ] And also to understand that BB's calls meant something. You're holding bottom set here on a flush/straight board. That's not a hand that I'd 3-bet the river with, especially not with another player calmly calling everything that I and the maniac threw at him. This is a hand that should have been raised & reraised from the flop, but you have to slow down when that 3rd spade shows up on the river--the only hand that BB should have played that way would be a low flush draw, which means that even if you have CO pegged on the bluff/semi-bluff, you're still holding the 2nd best hand. [/ QUOTE ] Rightly or wrongly, I thought BB would play top pair this way.
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#9
11-28-2004, 12:30 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
Horrible. Just plain horrible.
1) raise the flop. Show some aggression! 2) Raise the turn. What the hell are you waiting for? 3) Thats not a wise raise pre-flop. 4) The river... its a dicey situation, and its one that you may not be in if you played the flop & turn correctly. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#10
11-28-2004, 02:36 PM
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Re: Pocket fives -- isolation attempt
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Horrible. Just plain horrible. 1) raise the flop. Show some aggression! [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] 2) Raise the turn. What the hell are you waiting for? [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] 3) Thats not a wise raise pre-flop. [/ QUOTE ] I’m not so sure here. I think the starting plan was good (see above) but Hero never adjusted when it was no longer feasible. If Hero is not capable of adjusting on the fly when a marginal situation doesn’t go as planned then you are right, it isn’t wise to make plays that have a very large probability of going amiss. [ QUOTE ] 4) The river... its a dicey situation, and its one that you may not be in if you played the flop & turn correctly. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that its dicey. I agree he would be a lot better off with better flop and turn play. I don’t think he would of folded out Axs which is what I would most fear from BB. BB could also have virtually any baby flush around the 8, 5 area and not fold. That said I think Hero is still ahead about 30% of the time but through no fault of his own. :-) TaggedYa
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