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Old 11-13-2004, 12:48 PM
mgdpublic mgdpublic is offline
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Default What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

Abdul Jalib says that having everyone fold to your preflop AA raise is a "statistical disaster." This implies that you want some callers, but do you really want everyone to call? Doesn't that mean that there are probably too many drawing hands out there? If thats the case, then in a ten person "typical" game there should be a theoretical ideal number of callers, correct? If not, why? If so, how many?
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

in a 10 handed limit hold em ring game, i would like precisely 9 callers...
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Old 11-13-2004, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

Well is there a theoretical number of best callers, and if so, is that it?
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Old 11-13-2004, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

Did you miss thirddan's reply? You want all the callers you can get.
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Old 11-14-2004, 09:28 AM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

Screw callers, I want those 9 in there with it capped!!!
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

I have to disagree, you don't want 9 callers, your chances of winning that pot have greatly diminished. I think you want 1 or 2 callers w/ hands with small pairs and A-x. If you have one guy call w/ a suited connected it's fine, but when you have 5 callers w/ suited connectors, chances are, one of them will hit. That's my opinion if you're talking about one specific hand w/ aces. But i'm sure you're looking at the %'s, and sure, if you deal me AA 100,000 hands in a row, I would want 9 callers. But in the real world, I don't think you do.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

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I have to disagree, you don't want 9 callers, your chances of winning that pot have greatly diminished. I think you want 1 or 2 callers w/ hands with small pairs and A-x. If you have one guy call w/ a suited connected it's fine, but when you have 5 callers w/ suited connectors, chances are, one of them will hit. That's my opinion if you're talking about one specific hand w/ aces. But i'm sure you're looking at the %'s, and sure, if you deal me AA 100,000 hands in a row, I would want 9 callers. But in the real world, I don't think you do.

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What sense does that make? If you'd want it for 100,000 hands in a row, then you want it, period. The only time your comment is applicable in the "real world" is in a tournament, where you might get kicked out. In ring games, you can't get kicked out. And you're playing long term percentages, so of course you want more callers. Who cares if your chance of winning the pot is only 20%? That's awesome when you only put 10% of the money in there.
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Old 11-17-2004, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

No question you don't want that many callers. If even five people call a raise and you don't hit your ace on the flop, then there is a very serious chance you may get beaten on a draw, by two-pair, or even a set. From my personal experience I would say that in a ten-handed game you would probably want 3 callers, TOPS. Provided the flop isn't dangerous (i.e. K-K-x, Q-Q-x, J-Q-K, etc.) you can then bet big and hope to scare off everyone else, or isolate just you and another player, who, depending on the turn, you can hopefully get to put all their chips in.
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:31 PM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong! Unless your postflop skills absolutely suck, the more callers the better. (In a ring game at least). It's not an opinion question. Unless there is another pair of aces out there, which there aren't, aces make money with EVERY bet players put into the pot before the flop. It's true that with 2 or 3 callers you win more pots, but you win less money that way too.
Sheesh.
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: What is the best theoretical number of preflop callers to AA?

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It's true that with 2 or 3 callers you win more pots, but you win less money that way too.
Sheesh.

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This seems to come round so often in this forum we should make it a sticky.
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