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11-11-2004, 08:32 PM
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Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
I was playing the 1/2 no-limit at Foxwoods today (and I won't bore you with the string of bad beats that have me in a really pissy mood right now) and I saw some things that I really was uncomfortable with.
First of all, one player would sell $100 in chips (the max buyin) to new players when they sat down, then the $100 bills would 'mysteriously' not be on the 20 minutes later. I came out and asked him what happened to the cash and he said he put it in his pocket. This is blatantly in violation of the entire concept of table stakes, particularly in big-bet poker and I told him so, explaining why it was inappropriate. He said something to the effect of 'so, are you going to turn me in?' and I, being overly nonconfrontational (read: a complete pansy), didn't. I never got involved in a big pot against him but, if I had, I would have been pretty pissed that he'd ratholed so much money. How do you handle this? The second issue was with a player who kept going to his pocket and bringing money up to the table and sliding it under his chips. At Foxwoods, the rule is that you have to be below $40 to put more money on the table but this guy was doing it every time he got around $60. He was such a terrible player that I didn't really mind him having extra available but, again, he's breaking the rules and the dealer didn't notice/say anything and I don't think any of the other players were paying attention, either. How do you handle this? 
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#3
11-11-2004, 10:01 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
just as mentioned. it is your responsibility also to say something. Especially since when a dealer changes he is not aware of the happenings and can miss things like this.
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#4
11-11-2004, 11:41 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
Your problem is you played at the revovling door of a poker room known as Foxwoods poker and the dealers there dont give a [censored] for the most part because the casino is screwing them with the tokes.
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#5
11-12-2004, 01:33 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
Don't be such a friggin' wimp. At the FIRST instance of ratholing by the a-hole, I would perhaps have told him about the table stakes rule. If he asked me if I would turn him in, I would say "yes, either you bring that money back up NOW or I call the floorman." These friggin' jerk-offs KNOW they are breaking the rules so SCREW them if they don't like it.
If it's a moron adding to his stack, fine, let it slide. If it's a good player, CALL THE FRIGGIN' FLOORMAN. ANY unethical or rule-breaking behaviors should be instantly dealt with by alerting the dealer or calling the floorman. Don't screw around with these morons, particularly not the jerk-off internet wanna-be players who have no idea how to conduct themselves in a real cardroom. al
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#6
11-12-2004, 02:06 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
Of course you are all correct and I KNEW that's what I should've done but still didn't. I'm a wimp with stuff like this and I know it. Not a good excuse, but the dealer was totally out of his depth, too. With the tournament going on (500+65, part of the WPF) and the satellites for the big one, they were short dealers and pulled this guy off a Caribbean Stud game to come deal poker. He had no clue how to handle seat changes, buying the button, the dead small blind if a player leaves after his BB but before his SB etc. There were also instances of illegal raise sizes (eg. guy bets 40, next guy raises to 80 straight, original bettor makes it 100) that nobody said anything about. I'm not there to be the table cop, I'm there to play the game, hopefully make some money, and have a good time. If there were a better place to play live in New England, I'd definitely go there but I'm stuck with the 'Woods for now. I have no problem speaking up when there's a rule being broken but, on this particular day, there were so many that I just didn't want to deal with it. I should've either kept pointing things out or gone home but I didn't. Being the rules Nazi really cuts down on the amount of enjoyment I'll get out of playing.
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#7
11-12-2004, 06:02 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not there to be the table cop, I'm there to play the game, hopefully make some money, and have a good time. If there were a better place to play live in New England, I'd definitely go there but I'm stuck with the 'Woods for now. I have no problem speaking up when there's a rule being broken but, on this particular day, there were so many that I just didn't want to deal with it. I should've either kept pointing things out or gone home but I didn't. Being the rules Nazi really cuts down on the amount of enjoyment I'll get out of playing. [/ QUOTE ] If it continues to be a problem in the room, you not saying anything contributes to it. b
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#8
11-12-2004, 02:52 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
Yeah I would have called the floor in like 3 seconds.
Once I was playing live NL and after a player left a few guys were talking about how they saw him palm like $15 off his stack a few times and put it into his pocket and I freaked out wondering why they wouldn't expose him like I would have.
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#9
11-12-2004, 06:00 PM
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lol, uh, what HE said!
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Don't be such a friggin' wimp. At the FIRST instance of ratholing by the a-hole, I would perhaps have told him about the table stakes rule. If he asked me if I would turn him in, I would say "yes, either you bring that money back up NOW or I call the floorman." These friggin' jerk-offs KNOW they are breaking the rules so SCREW them if they don't like it. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ANY unethical or rule-breaking behaviors should be instantly dealt with by alerting the dealer or calling the floorman. [/ QUOTE ] Players should police there tables. It helps with the integrity of the room. If allowed to continue, it could affect the room detrimentally. What are you gonna do about it? What a line that guy gave. Yeah, i am, dork! Eat ****! [ QUOTE ] particularly not the jerk-off internet wanna-be players who have no idea how to conduct themselves in a real cardroom [/ QUOTE ] In fairness, i haven't run into these types much. But a line that slows them down and hits their ego a bit is, '1st time in a cardroom?' b
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#10
11-12-2004, 01:50 PM
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Re: Unethical behavior at the table-- how do you handle it?
What Al said. Someone wants to play with the concept of table stakes, let them play cards in the back of their Volkswagon egg truck out in the parking lot. Tell the dealer to get in the frickin game.
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