tourney poker much more skillful than cash poker

[sammysusar]

the variety of skills and differences of decisions makes tourney poker a much more intriguing game. importance of blind stealing being able to play different styles etc. granted short term results may not reflect skill levels but in long run is much much better game

[flawless_victory]

RIDICULOUS.

[Paul Phillips]

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the variety of skills and differences of decisions makes tourney poker a much more intriguing game. importance of blind stealing being able to play different styles etc. granted short term results may not reflect skill levels but in long run is much much better game

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I suck at cash games and I'm good at tournaments, but even in my moments of maximum self-delusion I can't convince myself that tournaments require more skill than cash games.

In a sense there are more factors that go into decisions during tournaments, but there are also many more automatic or nearly automatic decisions in tournaments than there are in cash games. It's a little bit like comparing holdem to omaha/8. In a sense omaha/8 gives you more to think about, but it's also vastly more straightforward to play well than holdem is.

[Bigwig]

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the variety of skills and differences of decisions makes tourney poker a much more intriguing game. importance of blind stealing being able to play different styles etc. granted short term results may not reflect skill levels but in long run is much much better game

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I suck at cash games and I'm good at tournaments, but even in my moments of maximum self-delusion I can't convince myself that tournaments require more skill than cash games.

In a sense there are more factors that go into decisions during tournaments, but there are also many more automatic or nearly automatic decisions in tournaments than there are in cash games. It's a little bit like comparing holdem to omaha/8. In a sense omaha/8 gives you more to think about, but it's also vastly more straightforward to play well than holdem is.

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I used to play a lot of limit omaha/8. I don't as much anymore, because I found myself on autopilot. The right decision always seems so obvious -- like playing euchre. I realized that if that was the case for me, it must be the same for others, and how do you get a big edge in a game like that?

[sdplayerb]

I think O8 is profitable since most people are completely clueless on how to play. Many play any four cards, or chase non nut flushes, even for half the pot. There starting hand requirements (A4 they think is a great low) and bad postflop play make it quite profitable.

I don't think LHE can plausibly bring much of a profit til you are playing 10-20, due to the rake. But O8 is beatable at much lower buyins.

[Bigwig]

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I think O8 is profitable since most people are completely clueless on how to play. Many play any four cards, or chase non nut flushes, even for half the pot. There starting hand requirements (A4 they think is a great low) and bad postflop play make it quite profitable.

I don't think LHE can plausibly bring much of a profit til you are playing 10-20, due to the rake. But O8 is beatable at much lower buyins.

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I'm not saying it's not profitable or beatable. I'm saying the edge your good play attains in omaha/8 is much less than many other games.

[sdplayerb]

I disagree..I think there is a huge edge since most players completely don't know how to play.
I'm talking about at the 3-6 to 5-10 level.
I don't think there is a game where your edge is bigger than O8.
I do agree with you that this should not be the case, as it is pretty straightforward to us that have a clue on how to play. But most people have absolutely no clue.

[jedi]

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I'm not saying it's not profitable or beatable. I'm saying the edge your good play attains in omaha/8 is much less than many other games.

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The edge between good players and crap players is tremendous. The edge between good players and great players isn't that great. That's my take on it.

[Sephus]

you probably don't really care but ive played somewhere around four thousand games of euchre (online obviously) and i promise you there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. the reason that two expert players will only beat two reasonably good players about 66% of the time is the very high luck factor, not a lack of complexity. it's an intriguing game, you should give it a chance [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[CrisBrown]

Hi Paul,

Would it be fair to say that the difference isn't so much between tournaments and cash games as between deep money and shallow money situations?

Cris