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09-28-2004, 06:22 AM
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10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
my friend played Turning Stone 10/20 and is questioning his play on this hand.
UTG is the opponent. He's reasonably tight but plays unsuited big cards like KTo or KJo too much. He doesn't like open-raising, so he open limps a lot in EP and MP. Basically, he's trying to play well but really doesn't know how. Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the BB UTG limps, 4 limpers, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets (this came as a surprise), everyone calls Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players, 18 BB) Hero... it's hard for him to say what the chances are that this guy was limp-reraising with AA or KK, as opposed to something worse, since he knwos the result. just assume that it's very likely, but not out of the question. 
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#2
09-28-2004, 06:26 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
18 SB. I would bet into the limp reraiser.
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#3
09-28-2004, 06:35 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
Why? Hope he raises and folds off the field? To clean up 3 ace outs that may not be good anyway?
I'd look to checkraise this and would be interested in a reason why one wouldn't want to trap as many callers as possible with the nut flush draw.
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#4
09-28-2004, 06:38 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
If people fold and it increases your odds of winning the pot slightly, I don't mind. If people call giving me value for my flush draw, that's good. I don't think people will fold if he raises and it gives me a chance to 3-bet.
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#6
09-28-2004, 06:47 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
hehe, I feel the same way about betting.
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#7
09-28-2004, 06:48 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
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I don't understand why you wouldn't check-raise here, it seems like it's striaght out of SSH. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think many people are folding for 2 bets on the flop.
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#8
09-28-2004, 10:36 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
Not sure why everyone is all over Bison here. Check-raising for value is obvious... we can all see it... he can see that... etc. But, if the game is loose/aggressive enough that Hero thinks he can get 3 or possibly 4 bets from everyone by betting out than I think it makes a lot of sense. For me it has nothing to do with cleaning up any outs.... it's just trying to get as many bets in as possible... in most games that would be done with a check-raise on the flop, natch.... However, I am sure we have all played in plenty of games where you might as well just bet out and let the fireworks go off since you already know you aren't folding.
That being said, without a good read of the table conditions, check-raising the flop is SOP. But we all knew that already. -tpir
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#9
09-28-2004, 06:46 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
well if he has a 90% chance of having AA or KK, then our only way of winning without the nuts 90% of the time (assuming our broadway will be the nuts, ignoring the club on the board) is runner runner TT to crack aces.
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#10
09-28-2004, 06:54 AM
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Re: 10/20 ATs Hand My Friend Played
I don't know, I guess I'm thinking of this in terms of online play. If his read says that 90% of the time this l-rr must mean AA or KK, then check-raising is the way to go, but if he'd ever do this with QQ, JJ or somesuch, I think betting is better. (edit: because you may clean up outs and failing to clean up outs does you no harm)
This is my 4000th post.
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