Are online poker rooms rigged???

[DeadlyWulf7]

Yeah im sure everyone has heard this before.

But after the things ive experienced I must wonder. For starters im not a high roller. Ive only deposited 50 bucks at a time to any given site. I started playing freeroll tournaments at pokerstars, and my very first tournament I ended up placing like 13th out of 6000+. In real life im a decent brick and mortar player, so after a few more decent placings at freerolls, I decided to try pokerstars.
My first deposit takes me a long way, hitting sets left and right, and making a couple of really good calls I ended up placing in the money in a few low buy in tournaments. Turning my bankroll from 50 to 200 bucks made me proud. So eventually i tilted it all away.....
I guess thats normal, but every deposit after that had the same god damn outcome. I would do good in tournaments and SNGs early in the week, and then around payday I would start hitting HORRIBLE, and I mean frigging HORRIBLE bad beats. Flopping sucker sets, flopping flushes only to be outsted by some douches A. Its almost as tho the site knows i get paid on thursdays and turns my luck down around this time.
I even referred a couple of my buddies to pokerstars, and they had the exact same results. Really good start with their first deposit, placing awesome in their first tournament and then sinking lower then dirt due to bad bad bad beats. Now by all means I am not a bad poker player, I almost always have a good reason on people and rarely put my chips in as a dog. But this is absurd.
I think these sites are built for the rich, the people who will pump thousands of dollars into the site are the ones who get lucky. Example : Teecoy been a tournament leader board leader for weeks, but after watching him play so much ive realized that he BLOWS money like its free. and eventually gets lucky as hell in tournaments. Ive seen the guy muscle a SB around, push all in, only to see hes got 22 and the SB got 55. Baam a 2 on the river. Are these sites really catering to the rich? Or am I off my rocker....

I know my game is strong, and even tho I play low limit, I cant understand why I cant stay even anymore. Yet all the rich yuppies with no care about money are profiting from people like me. It is absurd that poker is being shoved down our throats everywhere we go nowadays. Even network television has commercials for PP now. Im starting to think this is the nations way of paying for 9/11 damage. Cause there was not this much poker glammer in 2001.
Well heres a list of my current bad beats this week, I deposited 50 on monday and Im already 0 on friday.

Was chip leader in a sit and go, 5 people left. Got rivered 3 times in a row heads up on the flop. With only 20xBB I get dealt AA. I raised 5x BB and get one caller. Soon as the flop hit 8 6 2 the guy goes all in. I immediately put him on KK, and call. Hes got a 86o giving him two pair. Now how the hell did this guy call half his stack with this? I lost the showdown and ended up going from chip leader one person away from money, to being out of the tournament and down 20 bucks. So i took a break for a day. Horrible horrible horrible... Not to mention I never see this guys name online anymore. wonder why

Another bad beat came day before payday, this is by far the worst. I get dealt JJ, and i agressively play it in a $3 tournament. not to mention that I am 12 people from the money. One person calls and I flop a set. I slow play the hand thinking im gonna trap him, but after pushing him all in on the turn, he calls me. Only to show me that he flopped a gutshot str8 draw. Well you can only guess what the river was. OH YEAH and the guy called me with 24s.
Look im not whining here, Im here to find answers, and perhaps alil advice. Ive always played smart poker and I always know when to walk away and allow my emotions to reset. But i cant seem to win any tournament hands when im a 4 to 1 favorite on the flop. After calling AJ with AK and losing, getting rivered with gutshots that costed people their entire stack, and watching the rich and the lonely succeed at online, Ive decided to say [censored] poker. And screw these money hungry poker sites that will eventually become illegal in the states when a democrat hits office. I apologize if ive offended anyone, I am just really emotional over the recent poker sessions and kinda looking for re assurance. Maybe its impossible to make $$$ off low limit? or is it impossible to win $$$ online period????

Low limit to me = $5 SnGs $3 large tournaments .10/.25 ring games.

[RiverTheNuts]

I have to say that they are...

I had my whole bankroll at a NL table...

Get dealt KK, raise, get reraised, make a smooth call.

Flop comes AKK ... Opponent goes all in. I call...

Opponent then proceeds to hit his 1 out and make quad aces.

Hero is now broke and disgruntled...

[QuadsOverQuads]

If they're rigged, they're doing a really bad job of it, because in the last four months I'm up over $3300 off a buyin of less than $100.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you have two basic problems here:

(1) you don't truly appreciate the difference between being merely a "favorite" vs. having a "lock". You probably grasp it intellectually, but you're not internalizing it emotionally or intuitively, and the failure to do so is skewing your expectations when you find yourself strongly ahead but still vulnerable to those longshot draws.

(2) You think the site you're playing on is stacking the deck against you, but you still continue to play there anyway. WHY? Either you're not as sure of that as you admit, or you like losing your money to a rigged game. If you're not certain it's rigged, then the next obvious culprit would be your play. If you are certain it's rigged, then the issue is your judgment. In either case, the responsibility for correcting the situation is yours.


q/q

[QuadsOverQuads]

(note: my reply above was intended for the original poster, not RiverTheNuts)

q/q

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

My first deposit takes me a long way, hitting sets left and right, and making a couple of really good calls I ended up placing in the money in a few low buy in tournaments. Turning my bankroll from 50 to 200 bucks made me proud. So eventually i tilted it all away

So you got lucky, continued playing badly and lost. That's poker.

I am not a bad poker player

No offense, but if you can't beat .10/.25 you certainly *are* a bad player. The following proves it -

I almost always have a good reason on people and rarely put my chips in as a dog.

a) how can you be sure and b) many of the most profitable situations arise by playing aggressively when you are a dog.

Seriously, and no rancor intended, the first step towards getting better at this game is to come to the basic understanding that you really have no clue how to play properly. That's not singling you out, that's how everybody starts. Poker is deceptively simple looking, but in reality, it is a very, very hard game to play well.

Post some hands here. Join the discussions. Learn. But get the silly notion that the online sites are rigged out of your head. It just isn't so.

[LokiV]

YES IT'S RIGGED OMG I AM GOING TO KILL PP PSTARS AND ALL THE REST

p.s. Kurn has good points. The first step to improving is acknowledging you know little to nothing about the task at hand. We were once there too, just relax.

Oh, and don't deposit just $50, it's a road to ruin.

[Sundevils21]

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Poker is deceptively simple looking, but in reality, it is a very, very hard game to play well.


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Do you really think this is true? I'm not a very smart person* and I became a winning poker player after reading a book and asking a couple questions.
Maybe when you said "well" you meant much more than just becoming a winning player?

*especially compared to some of the posters here.

[DeadlyWulf7]

Kurn perhaps your right, I dont know a god damn thing about poker. Or maybe im just a stupid fish who loses ALL the time and complains???

Wrong, I know how to play poker. Am I pro? No. and neither is anyone. The only thing that makes anyone a pro at poker, is having a bankroll the size of China and not being afraid to lose it. I dont fall under this catagory so I play passive aggressive poker and dont play too many suiters or connectors.

I lost with AA, In fact ive lost alot of times with aces. My whole problem is how does a passive player decide to call a BBx10 raise preflop with a 68o. How is that???
Im holding wired aces and throw a bet to this guy for half his stack, and he calls with one of the worst hands in the game??? Not to mention every session I had after that was the same outcomes. Yeah this guy isnt online anymore, ive been looking for 6 days now and havent seen him once. My assumption would be that hes a PS agent. I wouldnt doubt it. How else could you explain a SnG list being at 2 players for 30 min, and then when I join it all a sudden it takes 50 seconds to fill up. I dont buy it. It all seems shady.

I respect your post Kurn, and maybe i should post some hands to prove I did not play anything wrong. And they were indeed bad beats. AND the bad beats come in spurts.

Oh yeah, and for the record. I have folded AA and KK, knowing I was outdrawn. Its not hard to figure out what cards a person is holding when its 1v1 in the pot. But when you got rejects calling huge bets with crap hands that flop them a winner, that calls for some serious thought.

But from a professional stand point, maybe the 68o caller only called to try and bluff me out. And got lucky.
I enjoy this site and plan and doing alot of reading and studying before heading back out to low limit online poker.
Sorry if ive offended anyone who plays online poker, but chances are if your a winning player...... Your just a rich yuppie who gets lucky [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[chesspain]

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But when you got rejects calling huge bets with crap hands that flop them a winner, that calls for some serious thought.


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What it calls for is a "Yippee!", you moron, because without those "rejects" the game would be much less profitable.

[Neil Stevens]

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But when you got rejects calling huge bets with crap hands that flop them a winner, that calls for some serious thought.


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What it calls for is a "Yippee!", you moron, because without those "rejects" the game would be much less profitable.

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