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Old 09-18-2004, 05:48 PM
McBluffin McBluffin is offline
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Default Going Pro in Atlantic City

Hello, I've been an internet pro in the north east for over a year now. I'm 24 and I made more money this year playing online than at any job I could have gotten with my B.S. in computer science. However, I want to expand my horizons and start playing in person and so I'm considering a move to AC. So my question is, does anyone have advice on living in AC? I know the area has the reputation of being some what of a slum besides the casinos. So if anyone has any advice on the area within 30 min of AC, I would greatly appreciate it.

In case you care I have two reasons for wanting to make the move. 1: Even though I believe online is more profitable in general, I believe this changes as soon as you start reaching very high stakes (100/200 we'll say) due to the necessity to have the ability to read body language and other tells. Although I will say I have discovered a few reliable tells online that deal with pausing patterns before actions.
2: It is a long term goal/dream to start playing on the WPT and WSOP. For me it's not a question of finances. I could join today. It's a question of in person skill. Well, that's my situation and goals. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-19-2004, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: Going Pro in Atlantic City

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Although I will say I have discovered a few reliable tells online that deal with pausing patterns before actions.


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Me too, except when they're going to the refrigerator or bathroom, answering the doorbell or telephone, checking on a crying child, distracted by a big pot on another table or something of interest on T.V. Other than that, the pauses probably have some significance.
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Old 09-19-2004, 02:26 AM
Mike Gallo Mike Gallo is offline
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Default Re: Going Pro in Atlantic City

Reconsider.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:18 AM
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Mike nailed it.

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Old 09-19-2004, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: Going Pro in Atlantic City

while i don't have any advice, i just wanna say i wish you well...

and also, don't expect much advice from here, as from everything i've seen everyone on here is both completely and utterly against going pro, and pretty cold to newbies...

oh well...

have fun...
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Old 09-19-2004, 05:53 AM
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If you are playing live 40-80 or higher you really need to be in L.A.

cheers matt
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:14 AM
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Bring your laptop with you.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:40 PM
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Read Dr. Al's Psychology of Poker. Poker is way to good of a part-time job to mess it up trying to be a pro.

If you are successful now, don't screw it up. Keep doing whatever it is that you are doing and just fly in to AC from time to time.
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:44 PM
BigBaitsim (milo) BigBaitsim (milo) is offline
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Read Dr. Al's Psychology of Poker. Poker is way to good of a part-time job to mess it up trying to be a pro.

If you are successful now, don't screw it up. Keep doing whatever it is that you are doing and just fly in to AC from time to time.

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Wholeheartedly agree with points 1 & 2 above.
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Old 09-19-2004, 04:29 PM
McBluffin McBluffin is offline
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It's funny that you would suggest that. I just finished reading that book about a week ago. I found that section particularly interesting, however I totally disagree with some of the points mostly as they apply to online. I probably should have said that I plan on playing online as my primary source of money, but probably about 2-3 days a week I would go to the casino's to get in person experience. Not so much for the money.

Here are the reason's Alan Schoonmaker makes for not quitting your day job followed by my humble opions:
1. You probably won't make it.
Thanks for the discouragement, however I already have online.
2. There is little money and no future.
Wrong. I cashed out $14,000 in August playing 10/20 (6 man max) and I'm ahead of that pace for september. Plus this is proportionately what I was making at 5/10 prior to my jump up to 10/20. I have over 35,000 hands in my poker tracker data base which shows that I'm making approx 3.5 BB per hour.
3. It's extremely unhealthy.
I generally agree with this, but I found it strange he didn't mention the stress caused by frustration as one of the unhealthy consequences. Also, 2 of his primary reasons for it being unhealthy are because you are seditary and tend to eat unhealthy. That is basically the same with the vast majority of jobs. Hence the obsesity plague in the USA. That's not poker's fault, it's yours.
4. It's a dreary life.
I'll agree it's not all it's cracked up to be, however I love it. He says pro's frequently work very long hours and that you would strike against these unfair work contitions at any other job. I work long hours because I love what I'm doing. I'd rather work 10-16 hours and love it, then work 8 hours and hate it. Maybe I'm just crazy... seriously.
5. But it's a great second job.
He is absolutely right.

Despite my criticizms I did enjoy the book. Right now I'm in the process of teaching my friends to play and I found this tremendously helpful. However, I did not like how he constantly tried to tell you that you are not good enough. Also, the section on not quiting your day job was not fair at all. He basically describes the worse case senario if you do make it. He also only lists the cons and none of the pros.
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