5/10 NL on UB - JT on the JJ5 flop

[ZeeJustin]

7 handed 5/10 NL on UB. I have everyone at the table covered w/ a stack of $1619.

UTG folds. UTG+1 ($1124) limps. UTG+2 folds. I call w/ J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Button folds. SB ($263) calls. BB ($589) checks.

Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $40)

SB bets $40. BB folds. UTG+1 minraises to $80. I call. SB calls.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($280)

SB checks. UTG+1 bets $280.

What's my play here? If I call, what's my plan on the river?

[1800GAMBLER]

TJo

[ZeeJustin]

Please don't start a preflop debate. It's not like I'm calling a reraise with KTo. If my preflop play is -ev, it's only by a very small amount.

[1800GAMBLER]

Whatever it's far far from a small mistake, TJo is awful as is TJs. It's always nice to think 'i'll play this hand for the straight value and bust someone on a broadway board' but then the flop comes K J x or J x x and you are stuck in shitty decisions with a shitty hand.

You aren't just costing yourself a small amount of money with this hand you are costing yourself a lot.

So yea, now you got your perfect flop and you have to fold the turn. It's not even a easy fold either because i'd bet a good percentage of the time you are against a donkey who is overplaying his missedlimpreraise with AA KK but your effective odds suck and if you call the turn you can't fold the river.

[The Gift Of Gab]

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TJo is awful

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yeah, but it should be at least breakeven here if he plays it well.

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as is TJs.

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anyone losing money with TJs in LP after one limper is playing way over their head, no?

[1800GAMBLER]

I just have a new found hate for suited connectors in NL. I very much disagree that this hand should be breakeven though.

[Tosh]

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as is TJs.

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Playing JTs is -EV here?

[1800GAMBLER]

It's +EV. Any hand could be +EV depending on the limper, against a lot of limpers i'd raise blind, some i'd call blind and bet every flop, some i'd fold a lot of hands for. Against an unknown i'm not thrilled with TJo.

[theBruiser500]

"if you call the turn you can't fold the river."

why not? his pot odds would be good but his oppoennts betting would define his hand very well

[johnsy]

i dont like the call on the flop......i dont think your hand is good