How would a top pro do playing SNG's?

[rjc199]

Lets say a top class pro decided that he was going to go on vacation and play $5 STARS SNG's for like two weeks.

Said pro is already competent in online play because he first learned to play there.

So what do you think would be the ROI% of said pro at the various SNG limits? Basically I'm looking for a theoretical max ROI%.

[silversurfer]

I'm nowhere near a top pro(playing for 5-6 years, 7 months seriously), but I would say he would do very well (ROI wise). I play stars 5$-10$ SnG's (currently building a bankroll) exclusively and I slaughter the 5$ tables. I don't calculate the ROI(yet), but 100-130$ a day is easy. (MT'ing 2-3 tables)
Makes for some nice pocket change.

[Desdia72]

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I'm nowhere near a top pro(playing for 5-6 years, 7 months seriously), but I would say he would do very well (ROI wise). I play stars 5$-10$ SnG's (currently building a bankroll) exclusively and I slaughter the 5$ tables. I don't calculate the ROI(yet), but 100-130$ a day is easy. (MT'ing 2-3 tables)
Makes for some nice pocket change.

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level SNGs, then you need to give me your secret so i can write a book on it. heck, i was told $50 profit a day was at the $5 level was pushing it with the crazies that play in those games.

[silversurfer]

if i had the patience to sit there and grind it out....which i often don't(a flaw of mine i'm working on while i build my bankroll). i'll win 3 out of 5 5$ +.50's, then drop half of it back on ring games, or get bored/overly aggressive (and yes, there are plenty of maniacs sucking out on you as well) and blow big leads. the first 30 minutes of a 5$ sng is boring indeed.

anyway, noone asked about my leaks. the point is this: i played about 30 of these yesterday and placed in 15 of them. this is not uncommon and i am not a pro. if you can play an aggressive yet intelligent and very patient game, 100$ a day is a snap.

[Aceshigh7]

I believe the original poster was referring to a true professional poker player giving low limit sng's a try. Not the online grinder wannabe's who love to call themselves pro's.

You will notice he said "top class", I don't think many if any of the online pro wannabe's that I described could fit that definition.

[stupidsucker]

I havent read any of the responses just yet. (I see one of my favorite posters has shown up here though)

First of all this is of course an extreme hypothetical because no pro would waste his time playing the 5 or 10 dollar level.

But...

To be blunt, if a pro did decide to do it then this is how I feel the results would be.

If he trys to play a fancy game he will not do well, and may even be negative, BUT if he is a true good pro then he understands this and will play correctly for the table conditions and do just fine. I dont think his roi will be much better then my own though. There is only so many games he can win, luck is still a factor with quick SnGs like this on party. I think a 50% roi is suststainable by a very good SnG specialist at the $10+1s, but not much more no matter how good you are.

[mackthefork]

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if i had the patience to sit there and grind it out....which i often don't(a flaw of mine i'm working on while i build my bankroll). i'll win 3 out of 5 5$ +.50's,

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Its impossible (or close) to win 60% of the time, probably near impossible for the best player in the world to get ITM much more than 60%. I stand by that statement no matter what anyone says. I have heard from a number of people who say such things i am yet to hear someone say it who records their results, ITM ROI ect.

Regards Mack

[silversurfer]

Never said 60% was my sustainable rate. Keep a couple of things in mind here: that was a good day for me (15 places out of 25-30 SnG's, and some of them were 10's as well). My RoI is probably no better than 40% (when I remember to play poker and not act like a ritalin addict), and we are talking about 5$ SnG's here, folks. And yes, I am definitely referring to MT'ing.

The point is this: a top pro (or anyone who has the discipline to wait it out) could easily clear 100$ a day. Period. They wouldn't want to, but they have the capability.

[SQUi5HiiFiSH]

50 dollars is pushing it, if ur playing one table at a time.. but multitabling, u can make a lot more

[Desdia72]

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Lets say a top class pro decided that he was going to go on vacation and play $5 STARS SNG's for like two weeks.

Said pro is already competent in online play because he first learned to play there.

So what do you think would be the ROI% of said pro at the various SNG limits? Basically I'm looking for a theoretical max ROI%.

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you get for your thread from some of 2+2's SNG elite. i started a thread about a month or so ago asking kind of the same question, but directed at the $50 to $200 level SNG players. i asked could they make $55 to $60 a day playing at the $5 + $.50s on PS and $5 + $1s on Party? the answers ranged from "i could" to "why would they, it would'nt be +EV". the point of my thread was to gauge whether their superior skill and poker savvy come overcome the luck-oriented and crazy play at the low levels for a consistent profit day in and day out. i don't think my thread accomplished that.

i, personally, would love to see pros like Phil Ivey, Barry Greenstein, Daniel Negreanu, Doyle Brunson, Gus Hansen, etc.
play the lower levels SNGs on Pokerstars for an extended period experiment to see how they would do. for that matter, i would like to see good online players like Josh Arieh (razorbax), Scott Fischman (emptyseat88), Daniel Larsson (Looptroop), John D' Agostino (jdags21), Pete Giordano (TheBeat), everybody on the PS leaderboard, and the higher limit SNG players on 2+2 play them to. i feel like you get better by playing better competition, but oftentimes your bankroll prevents you from doing that, especially if you're a lower limit player without alot of experience.