Party 15/30 AK hand

Sully · #1 08-18-2004, 11:58 PM

As a result of the lecture I received regarding my AK limp from the small blind, I am posting this hand. The fact that I raised before the flop definitely made the hand play much easier, but I'm still curious as to your thoughts about the play after the flop.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 30annanc calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.66 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, annanc calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

*****Nobody showing any strength, so I have to assume my six outs (& backdoor nut flush draw) are probably good here. The raise before the flop gives me the odds to call here (thanks 2 + 2).

Turn: (7.33 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, annanc folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

******Again, I have the odds to make this call..seems pretty easy.

River: (10.33 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds, UTG folds.

******Can't win 'em all.

Final Pot: 11.33 BB
Main Pot: 10.33 BB, won by MP2.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to MP2.

Results in white below: 
MP2 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP2 wins 11.33 BB. 

Anything different I should do here, or is this how we handle AKo??

mmcd · #2 08-19-2004, 12:16 AM

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Anything different I should do here, or is this how we handle AKo??

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1. Raise flop
2. Take free card on turn
3. Possibly call on river depending on opponent.

IMO, there is a BIG difference raising 2 limpers in position w AKo (automatic) and raising 3+ limpers out of the small blind with this hand. I'm sure people will throw that weak/tight nonsense at you, but for several reasons I think you're better off just calling out of sb with more than 2 limpers in most games. The hand is just easier to play that way, and your hand is not that big of a favorite over other non-dominated hands.

Sully · #3 08-19-2004, 01:06 AM

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Anything different I should do here, or is this how we handle AKo??

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1. Raise flop
2. Take free card on turn
3. Possibly call on river depending on opponent.

IMO, there is a BIG difference raising 2 limpers in position w AKo (automatic) and raising 3+ limpers out of the small blind with this hand. I'm sure people will throw that weak/tight nonsense at you, but for several reasons I think you're better off just calling out of sb with more than 2 limpers in most games. The hand is just easier to play that way, and your hand is not that big of a favorite over other non-dominated hands.

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Thanks for the advice on the flop raise...I like that play much more, and make the play above look pretty passive. As for limping with AK in the small blind, don't say that around here

34TheTruth34 · #4 08-19-2004, 07:34 PM

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I think you're better off just calling out of sb with more than 2 limpers in most games. The hand is just easier to play that way, and your hand is not that big of a favorite over other non-dominated hands

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you don't own PokerTracker, do you?

ddubois · #5 08-19-2004, 10:20 PM

It would be interesting to see proponents of both strategies post their BB/hand results.

1800GAMBLER · #6 08-19-2004, 11:45 PM

I don't care which side of the agreement anyone has taken but you are all retarded. Ths arguement has happened many times on this site, with better posters than yourselves, so much better most of them are authors, yet you still all argue.

mmcd · #7 08-19-2004, 11:47 PM

Link?

1800GAMBLER · #8 08-20-2004, 01:54 AM

Most recent is any thread with both astrogile andn john feeney in.

Sully · #9 08-20-2004, 12:30 AM

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I don't care which side of the agreement anyone has taken but you are all retarded. Ths arguement has happened many times on this site, with better posters than yourselves, so much better most of them are authors, yet you still all argue.

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I'm not quite sure I understand why both sides are retarded. Doesn't leave many options.

BottlesOf · #10 08-20-2004, 01:43 AM

It's not the sides that are retarded, but the debate. This debate is so tired, it's embarassing this discussion has gone on for this long. But, then again, with new people coming to the forum, it's probably necessary to have some degree of repetition.