My confessional...

[Josh W]

i screwed up. big time. Well, as 'big time' as somebody can at a poker-related event.

I'm playing 25-50 at the hustler. The game is ludicrous. I'm in seat 3, and dave is in seat 1. he's uberaction. and then some. raising blind, capping the turn with one overcard. you know the kind.

well, he raises preflop, and i threebet on the button with KJc. he caps (he's looked at his cards), and i call.

flop comes QT6...he bets and i call. yeah, i know i could raise here, but i plan on calling til the river, then raising if i miss..he's gonna see the river, so i might as well see it for cheap unless i make my draw.

turn is a 2, he bets, i call
river is a 9. I have the nuts...no pair on board, no flush.

He bets.
I raise
He threebets
I 4bet
He 5bets
I six bet
He 7bets
I 8 bet.

the table starts to complain "chop chop"

He 9 bets.

I see little reason to slow down.

I 10bet.

he 11 bets.

The whole table, for about 4 bets now, has been saying "You both have King Jack"....so, if he has ears, he knows what I have...the whole table has told him

So I 12 bet.

He 13bets, and I decide to just call.

He has 800 left in front of him, I have over 1000 left.

He turns over QQ.

Yeah, I lost about $800 there.

I do NOT play goot

J

[piguy24]

Josh, I had a very similar thing happen at a $10-20 game. I had AJ and the flop came KQT. The other player held J9 and we capped the flop with two other players in. The other two folded on the turn so it was heads up at the river. I bet, he raised, I 3 bet, he 4 bet, I 5 bet, he 6 bet, and I just called. He later said he wasn't even thinking of AJ and would've raised until he was broke. Since then, I've never stopped raising with the nuts unless they show me the same cards. In your case, especially against a superLAG I say keep jamming it.

[Ulysses]

Josh,

Yeah, you screwed up pretty bad. Stopping is horrible, of course. But stopping without at least asking, "want to just go all-in?" or something to that effect is even worse.

I made two mistakes in NL this weekend where I dragged multi-thousand $$$ pots but in each case lost over $500 in value by raising too much. Those hurt worse than any of the bad calls or suckouts.

[Josh W]

As a general rule, I hate the "you wanna just go allin" approach, although if you (er, me) are gonna stop with the nuts, at least giving the "all in" approach some thought has merit.

I hate it cuz:

a.) I'll only do it with the nuts (or second nut in a jackpot game where if i lose, I win the jackpot

b.) By asking that, I feel like it announces my hand as "the nuts". As such, my opponent will realize this, and stop very very soon. Instead, just going one bet at a time usually will bleed more out of them.

The key is going one bet at a time. If you start going zero bets, like I did, then you should give up poker.

Josh

[andyfox]

You should not give up poker. It was a silly mistake. The greats make silly mistakes all the time. Dimaggio once carried what he thought was the third out head down towards the dugout while the winning run scored.

I don't like asking to go all in with the nuts because it seems like stealing to me. Perhaps I should post this on the psychology forum.

[Ulysses]

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I don't like asking to go all in with the nuts because it seems like stealing to me. Perhaps I should post this on the psychology forum.

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Andy, when I'm back at Commerce in a few weeks, I'd love to have you play in the NL game w/ me! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[andyfox]

I've played no-limit exactly twice in my life: once at the Bike with some 2+2 buddies; it was a $100 max buy-in and I ended up losing my first $100 (to Rick N.) and then winning $106 on my second hundred. The other time was at my house against Tommy A. and my son and I merely called Tommy's bet when I had four aces (5-card draw, double-draw, deuces and one-eyed jacks wild) even though we weren't playing for money. Tommy had bet and then drew two on the first draw; he stood pat on the second draw.

AMHWG. Tommy had a straight.

Really.

[Ulysses]

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The key is going one bet at a time. If you start going zero bets, like I did, then you should give up poker.


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Oh, I agree with everything in that post, Josh. Except for the whole stopping poker thing. I mean, I'll be coming back to Commerce in a few weeks, so you'll have to play then. I was just saying, if you're gonna stop....

[Josh W]

as long as it isn't the weekend of the 24th, i'll be there. first two rounds on me, of course!

J

[Michael Davis]

"a.) I'll only do it with the nuts (or second nut in a jackpot game where if i lose, I win the jackpot"

I never understood players who do this. If it becomes obvious you are against the nuts, why would you want to lose more money just because you are getting the jackpot?

-Michael