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Rusty
Hi all,
I haven't played a lot in the last couple of months and that's why I started some 5/10 a couple of weeks ago. What do you guys think about these 2 folds. <font color="blue"> Hand 1</font> I haven't played a lot at this limit so not many reads but I would like to know what you do without reads. The BB in this hand had a low PF and an aggression factor of about 1 but not too many hands. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) Preflop: Guido is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Guido raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Guido caps</font>, MP calls, BB calls. Flop: (12.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Guido 3-bets</font>, MP calls, BB calls. Turn: (10.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, MP calls, BB calls. River: (13.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Guido folds, MP folds. Final Pot: 17.70 BB <font color="blue"> Hand 2 </font> No reads, no clue Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) Preflop: Guido is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Guido raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (7 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Guido 3-bets</font>, Button calls. Turn: (6.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Guido folds. Final Pot: 9.50 BB Thanks, Guido Feels good to be back... |
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Re: Rusty
i call both down.
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Re: Rusty
Hi have it all,
Can you explain why you call them? Just telling me what you would do isn't going to help me. Thanks, Guido |
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Re: Rusty
Hand #1: Oops I didn't realize you folded. Ah what? The pot is too big and you are ahead enough of the time for it to be profitable. I've been meaning to post a hand where I went crazy with AK and I was shocked I won when it was all done. 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s on the flop, one on the turn and 4 on the river and me w/out a heart. I capped preflop and the flop and nobody had a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Someone called me with 55 and nothing else was on the board. I think the other person had KQ.
Hand #2: I think you played this right and I think I really suck because I call this down here. Why didn't button cap the flop though? To get one or two more out of you? |
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Re: Rusty
Sorry G.
I've seen your posts in archives etc and figured you'd know why i suggested it. I hate people just writing there line without an explaination. Hand one - although i dont think your good here very often i have seen plently of people do this sort of thing with top pair hands or maybe Q9. I understand you have someone behind you but dont think he will have a better hand given the action. If you had a better read i would be more inclined to play as you did. Hand 2 - Again with a better read i can fold, again its no read and i call down. Lots of players are doing this with PP imo with a spade imo for a free showdown. i'd be happy to admit the way i play either is wrong, maybe i've just been running into alot of this sort of thing recently. |
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Re: Rusty
Heres a little more detailed response, although my reasoning could be off, I dont know.
Hand 1: I call because a.) the pot is very large and b.) Theres a chance the BB has a hand like Q9 or Q8 and we have him beat (although he would be a donkey to be calling 2 bets preflop with those hands) Hand 2: You would be surprised how often villian has a weaker ace here, at least where I play (1/2) I call this down every time against an unkown, against a Tight passive I fold to his raise. |
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Re: Rusty
Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it.
Hand 2 is good. |
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Re: Rusty
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Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it. Hand 2 is good. [/ QUOTE ] I agree w/ Hand 2. On Hand 1 I think he has AQ or KK often enough to make a river call good. |
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Re: Rusty
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[ QUOTE ] Folding hand 1 is probably +EV, but I don't think I can do it. Hand 2 is good. [/ QUOTE ] I agree w/ Hand 2. On Hand 1 I think he has AQ or KK often enough to make a river call good. [/ QUOTE ] I have NEVER seen KK or AQ play a hand like this. If we are calling, its because we think there is a 1 in 20 chance that BB is retarded and has Q8 or 98 which hit two-pair on the river, and doesn't realize that he would still lose to an overpair, a boat, a flush, a straight, or any Q in the case of 98. Most people here seem to advocate a call here, but honestly, I really don't think we are good even 1 in 20. |
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Re: Rusty
Hand 1: I call and start swearing when I see villian flip over TJ.
Hand 2: I also call and check/call the river. |
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