66 in MP?

[CCass]

Stars $2/$4 NL. Several avg. to good players at the table (including TheBruiser...lol) I get 66 in MP and call the $4. LP raises to $32. Two callers to me. I know I am most likely way behind here, but do I have the odds to call at this point, knowing that I will close out the action pre-flop?

[schwza]

what are the stack sizes?

[CCass]

I don't remember the exact stack sizes (I am at work, no PTracker), but the original raiser had ~$500, one of the two callers had ~$600, second caller had ~$200, I had about ~$150 (Bruiser had already chided me once for playing short-stacked).

[schwza]

i'd definitely fold. the raise is ~1/5 of your stack, so you don't have a chance to get paid off really well even on a miracle flop.

[SmileyEH]

With a raise to $32 the current pot is around $100 with the two callers giving you immediate odds of 3-1. Your implied odds include the rest of your stack of around $120 therefore you have implied odds of $32-(100+120) or about 7-1. Its pretty much even to the odds of hitting your set, but you may get some dead money into the pot on the flop....or you could hit your set and still loose. I would fold in this situation and buy in with a bigger stack next time.

I've never played anywhere near these stakes but this seems fairly cut and dry to me.

-SmileyEH

[TheGrifter]

Easy fold. With 400 bucks in front of you it's still an easy fold.

[Leo Bello]

Fold, and don´t play shortstacked. You would really be mad now if u hold AA and were shortstacked to cover the raiser´s famine.

[fsuplayer]

Easy fold?
Maybe, but with $400 in front of me and two of the other three players have me covered? I argue call on this one. The pot is about $130 before your call, and you close the action. $28 to call and double up on your opponents overpair. Unless opponents are good and will lay down their overpairs, I am calling this preflop everytime with a $400 stack.

As for the original post, fold, and dont let yourself get shortstacked again. Move down in limits if you dont feel comfortable with the amount of $$.

FsuPlayer

[JohnG]

150 is too short stacked to try and hit the set here. With about 280+ it's an easy call. Perfect position on flop and deep enough stacks = good implied odds.

Although it's 7-1 to flop a set, you usually need about 10-1 implied odds to play. Rule of thumb for me is to consider trying for set if it's less than or equal to 10% of relevant stacks to call, (given 1 or 2 opponents).

[hansarnic]

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150 is too short stacked to try and hit the set here. With about 280+ it's an easy call. Perfect position on flop and deep enough stacks = good implied odds.

Although it's 7-1 to flop a set, you usually need about 10-1 implied odds to play. Rule of thumb for me is to consider trying for set if it's less than or equal to 10% of relevant stacks to call, (given 1 or 2 opponents).

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I wouldn't call with 280. On the face of it this situation looks great with 400 as you only call 32 with over a grand to play for, but even calling with 400 is marginal IMO.

It really depends on your opponents, but as the action went I'd be concerned that I may be up against three over-pairs. In which case I go bust a good proportion of the time when I hit my set. Equally if an A flops with my 6, I won't get action from KK-JJ. Basically my chances of getting paid depend on the flop only hitting me and being up against a big overpair that doesn't hit on 4th or 5th.

If they have looser calling standards I may be up against mainly high cards. But here my earning power when I hit is more far more limited, especially as it's 4-way, so there will be some caution post-flop.

Not saying a call with 400 isn't profitable, just that it's not clear cut.