Is this bad etiquette?

[Rick Nebiolo]

From a recent fixed buy NL game.

Sort of tight player in seat 4 and super action player in seat 6 get all the money in before the flop. Seat 6 covers by a bit and pot is about $900. Seat 6 immediately shows a pair of kings. Flop comes small cards unsuited. Seat 6 is excited. Seat 4 doesn't show any emotion nor does he show his cards. Turn is an offsuit baby. Seat 4 stays quiet. River is another blank. Seat 6 is still excited. Seat 4 now turns over AA (surprise!) and wins the pot.

It turns out seat 6 didn't get upset but in my experience many would and maybe even have left the table.

Was seat 4 wrong to not show his hand once he had the big lead after the flop with the money all-in?

[Jeffage]

Who put in the last bet preflop?

Jeff

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

[Jeffage]

I think it's best for him to just table his cards, but I don't think it was bad ettiquette for him not to do so since he called the other guy's all-in bet. He is entitled to see his cards first and since the showdown isn't until the last card is dealt, his waiting is fine (if a king rivers, he can just muck for example).

That said, I just turn my cards over either way in these spots.

Jeff

[fyodor]

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seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

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Seat 3 should be shot. And it's not even close.

[Army Eye]

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seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

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Seat 3 should be shot. And it's not even close.

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Yeah, what is seat 3 doing showing his cards when there's still action?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Yeah, what is seat 3 doing showing his cards when there's still action?

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This is so common in this and some other casinos that it's pathetic so I forgot to focus on it.

Quick Story:

A couple months ago I'm in a NL game watching a pot develop from seat 2. Pot is already big on the turn. Seat 3 is very deep and bets the pot. Seat 7 (also deep) puts in a big raise. Seat 9 goes in the tank for a bit. As he folds he stands up and clearly shows his cards to seat 7 before tossing them in the muck. Even though I'm not in the pot I call him on it (i.e., his horrific breach of etiquette) as it wasn't his first indiscretion. He's all over me calling me names and stuff.

Turns out seat 9 is an attorney who is deeply involved with launching a new poker magazine that has something to do with the formation of some kind of poker players association. I wonder who will be the etiquette expert [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

~ Rick

[drewjustdrew]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

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Regardless of if the guy is good for the game, it is bad etiquette, plain and simple.

The only way I would approve is if the other guy was a slow-rolling jerk. But only if I was to follow through and educate the whole table that this is bad etiquette and I only did it cuz he deserved it for being a tool. If I just slow-rolled, it would be reinforcing and encouraging the practice.

[Black Aces 518]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

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Holy crap. The huge etiquette breach is on Player 3 folding faceup when there is still action to go. Imagine if Player 4 has the KK and player 6 has the AA. Player 4 can now heavily discount the likelihood of Player 6 having QQ. If I was player 6, and that made player 4 fold his KK against my AA, I would probably have the first fight of my life.

[razor]

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What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

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It astonishes me that anyone would think otherwise.