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Two KJs blind hands that suck.
First Hand:
Table was getting wack aggressive - most 3 bets were A8, JQs, and 66. Alot of action. I think I am semi-tilted at this point. The preflop call was fishy perhaps? I did not want to fold this preflop with all the aggression that was going on. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (13 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls. Turn: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls. River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO calls. Final Pot: 17 BB Second Hand: One again - cold call bad? Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls. Flop: (15 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls. Turn: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, CO calls. River: (17.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button checks. Final Pot: 17.50 BB How many mistakes??? |
#2
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
Hand 1) Check turn. You are not value betting anymore (you probably have around 30% equity) and I don't see how you can produce two folds. Also, it leaves you in a situation where if you hit on the river you could get more bets in by c/r.
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
Firstly - KJs is usually a Re-Raise or a fold in EP/MP for me.
Hand 1 -Preflop is OK IMO specially at this table(You say lots of junky hands got 3bet/capped) and the fact you on SB(Cheaper call) but i think you must fold for 2 back to you. Also don't call these if it WILL get 3bet/Capped IMO(Unless they are always wacko hands - Walking into AK/AJ/AA/KK sucks)! Check the turn, the club dropped your outs(and equity) and with one card to come it has obviously dropped. Hand 2 - Preflop same as hand 1, SB cheaper - But if you have any idea of it gettign 3bet you want to fold. Rest is standard(Flop Call is marginal but huge pot/OC/BDFD/BDSD) |
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
Hand 1 I check the turn. You're not folding both of them, and you don't have the best hand.
Hand 2 is a pretty questionable cool call in the SB in a 1/3 structure. In a 1/2 or larger structure, this is a clear call with the two limpers, but I'm not sure about 1/3. Postflop is solid. |
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
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Hand 2 is a pretty questionable cool call in the SB [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying this because with 2 limpers vs 1 (like in hand 1) the risk of domination is more? |
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
I'm not overly worried about the limpers. We're more likely to have them dominated than the reverse. It's more that there's more of a risk of the raiser having us dominated, pluse we're OOP. I'd like cold calling on the button here more than cool calling in the SB, methinks.
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do.
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
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Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do. [/ QUOTE ] Dont want to go HU here calling extra bets when I am behind. Check call gets my weak draw at the cheapest price. More people calling = better odds. |
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do. [/ QUOTE ] Dont want to go HU here calling extra bets when I am behind. Check call gets my weak draw at the cheapest price. More people calling = better odds. [/ QUOTE ] You also don't want to be 5-handed with Ax, 6x, and Js3s out against you - especially when you are ahead. I think paying an extra SB (in the form of calling BB's raise) is worth the value you gain by cutting down the field. |
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Re: Two KJs blind hands that suck.
I also think a lead is better in hand 2. Yes, maybe someone is ahead of you on the flop but the pot is huge! Why give small pocket-pairs correct odds to draw? Maybe someone will fold a 5-outer if they face a raise. So absent any reads i think a lead is best. Splashing a bit in big pots is okay.
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