QQ 15-30

[mike l.]

live full table not good boring day time 15-30 game. i get QQ utg and raise, folded to button who 3 bets, i 4 bet, he calls, heads up. i dont know button at all.

flop is K73, i bet, he raises, i 3 bet, he calls.

turn is a 5, i bet, he calls.

river is an A. what should i do and why?

[Noo Yawk]

You don't know the button at all? Check/call and see his hand. Maybe he'll wuss out and check a better hand, maybe he'll show you a pair he couldn't let go of. All I know is I want to see an unknowns hand here.

[haakee]

I agree. It looks like he's got a K which he won't fold if you bet. But I'm definitely not throwing this hand away here for a river bet, so check-call.

[Michael Davis]

Maybe you can find the fold on the river that you missed on the flop.

-Michael

[ggbman]

If this is a flop 3 bet, i really want to start playing in your games.

[mike l.]

"Maybe you can find the fold on the river that you missed on the flop."

his flop raise screamed defense. many players wait until the turn there with AA and AK. that's why i 3 bet. i felt pretty certain at that point my hand was best. i put him on JJ preflop and that's what i decided he had almost especially because he raised the flop. that's what i told surfdoc about the hand and that's what im sticking to. fwiw he told me that read's ridiculous and how could i put him on that hand. maybe it's subconcious or experience or whatever but that's what i was thinking stronly at the moment. when he called the turn (quickly) i started to change my mind a little and think he may have KQ/KJ/KT or something along those lines.

so if im putting him on a K, JJ, TT, 99, etc. why would i check the river? or bet the river? or call? or fold? what's the play? you dont know, do you?

[elindauer]

Hi Mike,

The play is to bet if you are going to call. He'll call with more hands than he'll bet. If you check, then fold.

Whether to bet or check depends on the player, but the only way your flop 3-bet can make much sense is if you now bet the river.

Good luck.
Eric

[mike l.]

"the only way your flop 3-bet can make much sense is if you now bet the river."

fine. please note though he is never ever ever folding a better hand here. no one ever does that ever. never. ever.

anyway that said, what about the idea that if i check the river he will check behind instinctually with a lot of kings he should bet (KQ/KJ/KT)?

[drewjustdrew]

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anyway that said, what about the idea that if i check the river he will check behind instinctually with a lot of kings he should bet (KQ/KJ/KT)?

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Is he really going to 3 bet an early raiser with any of these hands, just cuz he's on the button? I give AK, AQ, JJ, TT, 99 as his most likely holdings, with preference to JJ like you did. JJ only after his flop and turn play though.

I check call your situation. He may fold river to a bet with JJ, TT, but may bluff when checked to.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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"the only way your flop 3-bet can make much sense is if you now bet the river."

fine. please note though he is never ever ever folding a better hand here. no one ever does that ever. never. ever.

anyway that said, what about the idea that if i check the river he will check behind instinctually with a lot of kings he should bet (KQ/KJ/KT)?

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This combined with him bluffing off smaller pairs makes check-calling the play. Folding is insane at this point.

~ Rick